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In this episode you will learn about:

• How owning vulnerabilities can be powerful and healing.
• Embracing your journey and transforming it into a superpower to change lives.
• Setting intentions to find your tribe and allow conversations to help you process.
• Why paying attention to your financial situation can be freeing. 
• What being the CFO of your own life truly means.

Episode References/Links:

• Menopocalypse: How I Learned to Thrive During Menopause and How You Can Too by Amanda Thebe
• She Who Wins by Renee Bauer
• World Reef Day
• The Hormone Reset Diet by Sara Gottfried, M.D.

 

 

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell: [00:00:00] It felt like I was wearing this like monster on my back, right? And, but I was great at hiding it, no? And so it, but it, but it didn't help me process. It didn't help me heal. It didn't help me like experience, engagement with other people with this like, truth out there, right? Because like, I felt like they don't, it's none of their business.

They don't need to know, but it just kept eating at me, and it wasn't until I began to share with other people, oh yeah, I've actually been going through like a divorce right now. That, that, that was the beginning of healing for me. 

Lesley Logan: Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity [00:01:00] and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

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Lesley Logan: Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the empowering convo I have with Renee Bauer in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, feel free to pause us now. Go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us.

And if you're listening on the O P C app, it's very easy. You can see like all like a bunch of recent episodes all at one time. So you can pick and choose however you want. If you're listening on the other places, I don't know how they work, but it's, you know, what you want to listen to Renee's especially if you've ever like felt like, oh my gosh, I'm embarrassed about this past thing I had in my life.

I thought it was 

so 

Brad Crowell: great. Yeah. Very liberating. And [00:02:00] also I appreciate the 

experience that 

she went through and you know what she's, how she's bringing her 

experience to other people who are suffering and in need. So that was pretty awesome. 

Lesley Logan: Yeah, and I was just able to see her in real life at her 

Brad Crowell: event and... 

yeah, in 

case you're wondering 

what we're alluding to, she's a divorce attorney. 

Lesley Logan: Yeah. Yeah. 

Brad Crowell: And 

she's actually gone 

through divorce herself 

Lesley Logan: In case you're listening to this out of order. She's like... (Brad: Right) 

So her book, She Who Wins, which is also the name of 

her podcast and also the name of her event, comes out this September.

You guys, you can pre-order that book right now. And there's like special goodies that happen if you do pre-order the book and the way books go, loves, is, it all matters on the pre-orders 

now. So 

everything's always 

changing. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah, that's 

the truth. 

Um, yeah. Well, let's just jump right into it. 

Lesley Logan: So today, 

Yeah! 

Is National, International Reef Day.

It's

like World Reef Day. 

Brad Crowell: yeah, 

So, [00:03:00] not that Lesley and I are surfers 

by any means... (Brad: but no, but you, we need the reefs). We need the reefs. I'm a big fan of keeping plastics out of the ocean, 

which is an obviously an incredible it's incredible how much plastic is currently in the ocean. In fact, when we were just flying to Korea on the way we stopped over in Honolulu. We had a layover there. Both ways. 

And I was 

watching a really fascinating documentary about the native, bringing back the native Hawaiian 

culture from like 

thousands of years. And they 

talked about the pan Pacific, you know, the ocean 

as if it was like 

its own 

continent. And how, you know, 

thousands of years ago 

people jumped on canoes and they 

explored the oceans by

the stars. 

Like, could you

imagine? Oh my gosh. Like the way that [00:04:00] people took a wagon and drove across North America. Wow. No. 

they were like, 

we're gonna go that way and hope that we hit 

land. 

Lesley Logan: Yeah. And the, and the scars are moving, but that's fine. 

Brad Crowell: I mean, 

pretty intense. Anyway, they, they 

were, they were talking all about the reefs and it really got me fired 

up about them again. 

Lesley Logan: So, so y'all 

get rid of your sunscreen and make sure you have sunscreen that is safe for, well, this is, I 

guess if you're going to a pool, do whatever you wanna do.

But if you're going into natural waters, you're going into the ocean, you must use a special 

sunscreen. So if you actually go to this World Reef Awareness Days site, they say 

you can observe this day by doing beach 

cleanup. You could become a virtual diver. Which 

I guess you do virtual tours. What, 

how is that helping anyways? Don't know this is their suggestion. Well, you probably just, I 

think once you're aware of things, it's 

hard to like be an asshole.

Then you can make your

own sunscreen that's actually really healthy for 

the reefs. So those are some things you can do. But 

truly, honestly, like 

if you can... 

Brad Crowell: Just roll in mud, that's 

your sunscreen.

Lesley Logan: I think 

they have 

bees wax in there, which is [00:05:00] only 

concerning because of the bees. We have a problem 

with the bees shortage and then there's a, 

y'all, there's a 

lot of stuff going on.

Please be kind

to the reefs 

cuz we actually 

really do support 

the ocean's microbiology and it actually affects your life in other ways if you don't, if you live near an ocean.

So talk like, you know, do the right thing. Call your friend who's going to the beach and make sure they're not using 

sunscreen that's gonna kill the reefs. 

Yeah. Anyways, we also 

have some other stuff 

going on right now. 

So, this 

is coming out

June 1st. We're a couple weeks away of doing a webinar for Profitable Pilates on how to convert first time clients.

So if you are a Pilates teacher or trained to be one. You will want 

to be at 

this webinar. Agency members, of course, you get the VIP ticket for free. If you're not an agency member, you can buy a 

ticket to 

the live. You'll have a three day replay. You can also, there's opportunities to buy a V I P ticket and also get to keep the replay forever, which 

is way

cheaper than buying it when 

it's a course.

So you'll want to actually go to the show notes below to actually sign up for the wait list or to sign up for [00:06:00] the webinar. 

Brad Crowell: And if you're 

watching, if you're listening to this after that's already occurred, get on the wait list 

anyway, because we do these webinars periodically throughout the year. And they're all, they're on these various topics and all 

stuff, so you'll be the 

first to know when you're on the wait list.

And we give you all 

sorts of hookups and stuff, so check out the show notes. 

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan: And then in July we 

have 

the Mullet tour in the northern part of 

the UK, Claire Sparrow's studio, which we're so excited about.

Brad Crowell: Oh, I cannot wait 

That's exciting. It's gonna be amazing. 

Lesley Logan: At the time 

that we're recording this, we only have 

four spots left. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah, 

I know. It's 

insane. It's awesome. Yeah. It's so exciting. 

Lesley Logan: Yeah. And it's 

a really great small group. We're so, so, so excited about it. In August, we are doing our summer tour.

We have not released the 

cities yet, but we'll release so soon. So make sure you

stay tuned. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah. All right. And then we actually, we, 

you know, you've heard us talk about all, our, all the rest of our 

plans and all the things, but yeah,

summer tour is gonna be super

fun and we've got some exciting news about 

that coming to you 

soon, with some sponsors and all 

sorts of stuff [00:07:00] that's kicking off. So it's gonna 

be great. 

But 

before we do that, let's see, we have an audience question today. From Karen Campbell. Thanks for submittingg this question. Karen is saying I'd be interested to see an episode

about menopause and specifically how to best support health for premenopausal women with herbal remedies. I saw a few episodes in lineup on women's health and maintaining hormonal balance. So maybe this topic's already been covered. 

If it 

hasn't been done, could you bring on a specialist to 

discuss it? 

Lesley Logan: So we are working on a menopause expert. To be honest, it's actually been a little tricky.

Hmm. So we are 

working on getting an actual expert just in menopause. So we have, thank you, Karen, for bringing this up. But here's the other thing about pre-menopause and all this stuff. 

It's so different for every single person. Like it is 

so different. 

So here are some, some places you can go for some more information for you right now until you wait.

I don't want you to wait for this advice. So here's the thing, there's a book called Menopocalypse. Yes. I'm [00:08:00] trying if you know the author of Menopocalypse everyone. I would like her on the show 

if she's listening to this, if she's to Google alert, hello, I want you on the show. The book is called Menopocalypse.

Even Brad listened to that book as well... (Brad: Idid.) It's really, really helpful. 

She explains like all the stuff about perimenopause and menopause that I like, a lot of stuff that they just don't talk about. And also the fears that are out there that are ...(Brad: Amanda Thebe) yeah. Thebe. So, hi Amanda. Come on 

the show.

Then 

also you guys, Sara Gottlieb. I heard her on Huber's podcast. 

Uh, she has several books out there and 

she actually has a hormone reset book. I have not done the hormone reset, to be honest. Elimination diets get a little bit hard for their, I have tendencies. I try to avoid those 

kinds of things. So Brad's been with me on elimination diets.

We 

just are trying

not to do them anymore. 

They, 

Brad Crowell: I just, 

that's the point where I just tell her it's all in your head, babe. 

Lesley Logan: No, 

it's not. So here's the deal. However, my dear friend has done Sarah

Gottlieb's hormone reset [00:09:00] and really did 

get some value out of it in her peri menopause journey. Cool. So Sara Gottlieb has some great books on hormones, hormonal diet you can do, and also has been on a Huberman talking about that.

Hmm. When it comes to herbal remedies, I look, I wish that I could tell you what 

those are. I'm not actually perimenopausal yet, so I haven't dove into myself. But 

in Amanda Thebe's book, there was some really great stuff including breath work. So 

you 

guys breath work is. Breath work, breath work, breath work.

You could just 

do so 

much. And 

for what, what Amanda brought up was box breathing, which is inhale for four. 

Hold for four. Exhale for four. Hold for four. 

Brad Crowell: And I do this 

to go to 

sleep 

sometimes. 

Lesley Logan: Yes. Yes. It's so helpful. But it's 

very much about

expanding the gut and breathing all the way down into your pubic bone.

And then when you exhale, she was 

like, and imagine just like pulling 

up, you know, your privates up like, a tissue coming out of a box and like that's how you excel. So it's not 

like the. Force like compressive, but like very much a uplifting exhale. Hmm. And that could be [00:10:00] really, really great. ...(Brad: good visuals.)

So, as far as maintaining hormone balance, balance, you guys do not be, like, there's a lot of stuff out there about 

H R T. It's just hormone replacement therapy.

If it works for you, it works for 

you.

Brad Crowell: So, yeah, she, in Amanda Thebe's book, you talked about that and, and yeah, I thought it was 

an interesting, I'd never even heard of it. So yeah, 

it was an interesting, 

like, exposure to what it is, 

what it could be, what 

it isn't, how like it's been. You know, there's like good and bad things out there 

about it. So,

218 Renee Bauer RECAP ROUGH: yeah. 

Lesley Logan: So until I can get a 

specialist on here, and again, I'm working on it, I'm, it's, I'm trying 

to find. Someone who schedule lines up

with mine, I would highly recommend those two, those two books. And then also telemedicine's really amazing. There are specialists, there are female doctor 

specialists in this that will do a telemedicine talk with you, and then you can get some, cream, some hormones, some patches.

Um, the other thing is, is like anything you have to be connected to your body. You guys. So if you are someone who's walking around a little bit disconnected, you might not understand that 

some of the symptoms you [00:11:00] have are perimenopausal. You might be thinking that it's food or that it's stress or something like that.

So, just journal what's going on in your body right now. So until you can find the person that really works for you, 

you can keep a log of how you're feeling on each day cuz then when they ask you how long you've been feeling like this, you don't feel like, I don't know how long I've been feeling 

Brad Crowell: like this.

That's a good point. 

because that's something you 

can start right now. For free. For 

Lesley Logan: free. 

So Karen, I hope to have 

a specialist soon. We've had other people wanting a menopause expert. I

hear you. It's coming. And hopefully that gives you some help for right 

Brad Crowell: now. 

Love

it. Okay. 

Now let's talk about Renee Bauer 

With two 

decades of experience as a divorce lawyer. 

Renee has emerged

as a powerful advocate in the women's empowerment space. She's forged a platform that bolds her self-worth and champions women's 

decision making, 

rooted in empowerment and financial

independence. 

Lesley Logan: Um, mm-hmm.

I'm gonna jump in. 

Brad Crowell: Do it. 

Lesley Logan: So, 

um, I actually loved that she just talked about owning it. [00:12:00] She was like, you know, she was telling her story about how she was like, ashamed to say that she's a divorce twice. 

Like, and then she just happened to share on a podcast with a friend like that she was, and people 

are like, oh my God, thank you so much.

And she realized that like what she was ashamed of was actually like the thing that helped connect her to most people. And so I really love that she, 

she is, was 

a proponent of like, just own the thing that scare, like, makes you worried that people are gonna be ashamed of you because it actually makes you vulnerable and makes people be able to trust you.

And as we've talked about, like she's really like, The best person to help everybody decide if they are, should be getting divorced on, like, what their 

next steps should 

be because of her experience. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah. I was encouraged by her, you know, just 

the fact 

that she has seen 

both 

sides of the equation. And also, you know, 

like [00:13:00] being an attorney, 

you know, she's arguing on behalf of her clients, but she 

can also relate to her clients. I thought that was pretty cool. You know? When I went through my divorce, 

it was really 

interesting because I 

felt all the same things 

that she was talking about.

Shame. She talked about shame. I felt so ashamed that I was

even considering the 

concept, you know, or that it was actually being 

like, forced on me cuz I didn't want to do it at

first. I didn't wanna do it at all, in fact. And then when it, you know, after it happened, I really 

had to come to grips with that idea of, 

of like, you know, okay, I am a divorced 

person now.

And that was a whole, it was like a new identity. I don't even 

know why I felt like it was that, but it was, you know? So 

the fact that she can relate 

to

the people going through it, it was

really powerful.

Well, and also like 

Lesley Logan: in our own life, there's been different people in our lives 

who are going through [00:14:00] that and they were so embarrassed and they were like kind of shutting down and like people weren't able to like really talk to them.

And it's 

like, well, you can.

you know, because you've been through that and like, I think it's just so important to not be ashamed of the journey that you have, whatever that was. Maybe you've never been, 

maybe you've never been 

married. like 

some 

people are ashamed that they get to a certain age and they've never been 

in a long term like, the thing. 

Yeah, sure. The shame is such a thing that 

keeps us from shining our light and like you have this amazing skillset, whoever you are, whatever that is, to actually change lives around you. And if you're letting that journey that you've been on, be something you're ashamed of, when really it's actually 

the superpower that makes you who you are and makes you able to connect with people.

So I just love that she is owning this. And 

it is actually, 

it's actually what's, what's taking her with the book and with her event. It's really 

cool. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah, I think 

that, also, you know, one, one 

thing that, 

she 

you know, She said, 

just

own it.

It sounds very [00:15:00] glib 

to say that like from,

if someone had just come to me and say, just own it, Brad, you're divorced or you're getting 

divorced, it would've been really hard for me 

to be like, okay, 

I'm in on that.

Like, 

no problem. But let me tell you from my own personal experience, 

I began to

heal when, and only 

when I quote unquote owned it. And for me it 

wasn't like this 

idea of like, I guess 

I'll just be this divorced person 

now. But what it was 

for me was I began 

to own it by no longer avoiding 

it in conversations with others. Right? Because 

it was so easy for me to just 

never bring it up. 

And so I'd meet 

people and they would never know that I'm like, for me, it felt like I was wearing 

this like monster on my back. Right? And, but 

I was great 

at hiding it, no? And 

so it, but it, but it didn't 

help me process. It didn't help me heal. It didn't help 

me, like, experience 

[00:16:00] engagement

with other people with this 

like, 

truth out there, right? Because like, I felt like, they don't, it's none of their business. They don't need to know, but it just kept eating at me, and it wasn't until I began to share with other people, oh yeah, I've actually been going through like a divorce right now that, 

that, that was 

the beginning of, 

of healing for me. Processing. So, yeah. ...(Lesley: I love that you said that.) 

Yeah. So, yeah, and actually, you 

know, she, her quote was exactly that and that's when I realized I need you 

to talk about this and not be ashamed about it.

So. Yeah. Yeah. 

Well, one thing that I loved that she said was, find your 

tribe. And, again, I felt this, I found this to be particularly challenging, the idea of just 

meeting strangers on the internet 

to like be 

in a group of divorced men like that, felt like, uh, I don't know these fucking people, you know? And I was, 

I was not really 

okay [00:17:00] with that. 

So my, 

so I didn't actually go to an online community. But what I did end up really turning to were my close 

friends. And, you know, they weren't divorced, 

but they knew who I, they knew me, 

they knew me before

my ex-wife, you know, 

for years before. And so having that 

support system was, I couldn't 

really go to my family. It was 

weird. I, you know, I didn't feel like that was 

okay to talk about it with my folks, you know, or my siblings, you know.

But having the community around me like really helped me get through it. And that's 

what she's 

talking

about here.

So your tribe doesn't need to be like, it could be an 

online

community of people who 

like, don't know you or you don't 

know them. And that you could 

find freedom in that, 

cuz there were some times 

where I felt 

like

It was okay to 

quote unquote air my dirty laundry [00:18:00] with people who I never would meet again.

I'd never 

see them again. It didn't fucking 

matter if

they judged me because I 

was like, 

yeah, your 

opinion means nothing to me.

And then 

alternatively 

finding your tribe with people who do care about 

you. you know? You could be doing that too. 

Lesley Logan: Well also, like 

you had friends from before you were married. I was not divorced, but after I left my ex five years, 

I didn't 

have any. 

because all of, I moved to LA and then we started dating 

shortly thereafter. 

And so all of my 

friends were his friends. So when 

I left, 

it was

like, poof, 

gone. And I have to 

tell you guys, 

there's this 

one story that is 

like

just, oh my gosh, I wish I could have a video of it so you could just see what was like. But I was in line for this movie through the cemetery and I'm in this line. I'm like waiting. I'm by myself cuz my one friend that I made, 

the one friend that I made was looking for parking. And 

so I'm by myself and this line 

and the way the line goes is it snakes back and forth.

And so I'm 

walking and I can see. Part of the line walking

towards me cuz

they're about to turn in the corner. 

And my brain [00:19:00] saw a friend, somebody who I was friends with 

because of my ex and my brain didn't go. Danger warning, run away. And so I was like, hi. Right. 

Like, oh my God. 

And they're like, 

oh my God.

And then behind 

them 

was my ex. 

And they're like, 

oh my God. And then behind him was this girl he was 

in 

and she was 

like, 

oh my 

God, at everybody. And then all I hear was, 

We're gonna have to

pass

her over and over again.

Brad Crowell: Oh, right. Cause The line snakes back 

and forth. 

Lesley Logan: Snakes 

back and forth. And I was just like, 

oh my 

God. And I'm likes, I'm like, I'm like, I don't care if you 

have to 

double park, you

park your car, you need to get your, I'll pay 

the ticket. 

I don don't care. We 

had to 

pass each other 

11 times. Oh. 

At any rate, I only had 

this

one friend at the time, but she was also making friends. And so when it says find your tribe, like that can be 

hard work.

And 

it was effort. And yes, that was 

a 

really terrible moment 

in my life, 

11 times. Oh my God. 

But, [00:20:00] but I did find 

friends

and those friends led me to more friends. And 

those led to more friends. And then it put me 

to finding myself 

more. And now, while I don't have a lot of those same friends, because we've moved and everyone's life 

has changed. And welcome to LA it's a very transient town. 

It did help me find myself, to get me to a place where I could like go on to 

other things. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah. Yeah. Renee 

talked about joining a yoga group. Right? And how that became, like a 

lifeline to

staying in community with people. And you know, 

she, she actually said, 

you know, you're 

either gonna, she told herself, you're either gonna sit here all day 

and feel bad for yourself, or you're gonna put on some leggings and you're gonna go to yoga and you'll probably feel better at the end.

And I couldn't agree with her more. I mean, it was really easy to stay home, 

drink a bottle of wine, watch a 

movie, and, and feel, you know, like 

shit. And it wasn't until I began to [00:21:00] intentionally go out again, and that allowed those conversations with others to happen, that processing 

to 

happen. So, yeah, well, so honestly, I mean, that was, 

that was quite a trip down memory lane. I'm not gonna lie, I feel like I've heard this story about you bumping into your ex, but I didn't realize. Uh, it was clearly at the movies at 

It was a business. yeah, yeah, yeah. Clearly, And you wanna, that's the only line that I could think of where you 

were like, oh.

I can I, can I tell you 

guys the best part? This is, okay, lemme just tell you the best part. I know we're running up 

on time, but lemme tell you this.

So you take pictures at

the movies

and it was

the slumber party night. It was the night where there was three movies in a row. 

And so we 

had 

my 

friends and I, 

once I got there, we like, got our picture 

taken.

And 

in between 

the movie, the first movie and the second movie, they were showing the picture that had been taken up on the 

mausoleum. you guys, it's like the 

biggest block of wall. And when my picture came up with 

me and my two friends, 

it [00:22:00] stayed up. 

For 

minutes. And I laughed 

so hard. I looked at my friends, I'm like, I'm good.

I'm outta here. Like I 

they are having to sit 

here and like, look and look. And I had this big 

cloak hood

on.

It was all scary 

movies. And so I just looked like, 

I was 

like looking down upon the people. Brilliant. 

And so get this the next, the Monday after I get an 

email. Nice

picture. 

Anyway, we should 

get 

Lesley Logan: into these Be It action items real quick. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah. All right. So let's finally, let's get into these, Be It action 

items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted 

action items can we take 

away from your convo with Renee Bauer? The biggest thing she talked about was 

knowing your money. Which is like a hundred percent what we talk about 

with business.

So it's so funny. But personally that's very liberating, you know? And what's so crazy 

is like it was like the reverse of the conversation. She said most women come to [00:23:00] her and they're like, he took care of all the bills.

I actually 

have no idea about any of it. 

And that's 

how my ex and I was, I didn't

actually manage any of it. So

when we split, I was like, 

how much are we in debt? What? I had no idea. Right? I didn't know anything and it was like 

really crazy. 

And, and I totally 

agree that if I had, you know,

felt, 

if I had paid attention, You know, 

like 

I think, I 

don't think it would've been 

an issue for me to pay attention during the relationship of like, Hey, yeah, I just wanna, 

like, understand things.

Then it would've been a lot more freeing. But I never paid attention at all. Yeah. 

yeah. 

Lesley Logan: Yeah. I really like that card of the, of the interview and I highly recommend listening to that part 

if you haven't, cuz it's really great. No matter if you're in a happy marriage or not. Like it's just so everyone, 

everyone should 

just be aware of what's going on, cuz then you know what your options are all the 

time. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah, and I'm, I'm glad 

you shared 

about how we operate today because, [00:24:00] you 

know, it's

starkly different than how I used to do it. Today you and I actually have a monthly meeting for the company. But that incorporates, you know, pretty much our personal 

life too. And that allows us both to be understanding where we are and, and all the 

things.

So, yeah. 

Lesley Logan: And this takes us into one of the Be It action I love, which is like, treat yourself like you are the CFO of your own life. And I think that like, goes along with what you were saying about your last marriage. It's like, I think it's really easy if you don't like money or if money was like a bad thing that you're raised to just like, ignore the money 

and I don't want it 

cuz it's a problem and I don't want whatever.

But 

the actual 

reality is,

is like no matter if you're in a marriage, not in a marriage and a great one. 

The more we are aware of the 

finances in our life, the more options we have. 

And you know, you can, this 

could be the thing you Be It Till You See It at this season. It's like, I'm gonna be a CFO of my life.

What does a CFO do? Well, they know the numbers. Okay, what are my numbers? All right, what do 

I, what are my 

goals 

for my numbers to be what do I, 

want this money to be doing? And like, even if 

that's

just

that you have a donation

goal that you wanna make, like that would [00:25:00] be a really great thing for y'all to do.

So 

this was a fun interview. I really love Renee. 

It was just so 

great. And 

y'all should get her book. 

Brad Crowell: Yeah, 

I think so too. And it's upcoming right now, so

I don't actually remember what

the title of it was. 

She Who 

Lesley Logan: Wins? 

Brad Crowell: Oh, the book is called 

She Who Wins?. ..(Lesley: Mm-hmm. And her podcast is too great. so there you go.)

Yeah. So we will, we will 

put the link for that in the show notes. And thanks 

so much 

for joining us. 

Lesley Logan: Yeah. I'm Lesley 

Logan. 

Brad Crowell: And I'm Brad 

Crowell. 

Lesley Logan: We 

are so grateful 

for you. This is so 

much fun. Oh my gosh, we're almost 

about hit two years with this podcast. I feel like we're like a day or two away, so we'll probably have to do that in FYF. But thank you for being you and we wanna know how you use these tips in your life tag the Be IT Pod, tag Renee Bauer,

and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell: Bye for now.

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