On today’s Sup podcast, our hosts run through another grim milestone in COVID-19 deaths, update you on Trump’s vague promise of an “immigration” ban and share some studies that show Trump’s “miracle” cure actually shows no signs of promise. Then, they discuss what leadership means in this time of crisis. How has this pandemic exposed the weaknesses in how we view leadership and power? Is this what Trump voters want in their leader? We also consider Joe Biden’s lack of visibility, what opportunities he’s missed, and how it could impact the general election.

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