LEVELS – A Whole New Level

#268 - The truths about obesity, skinny fat, TOFI & why thin people can be unhealthy | Dr. Robert Lustig & Mike Haney


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The obesity epidemic isn’t about calories-in-calories-out. Instead, chronic stress and high insulin levels from refined carbs and sugar are drivers of fat storage. And the type of fat stored matters, since visceral fat accumulation leads to worsening metabolic health. Dr. Robert Lustig and Mike Haney discuss the different types of fat and how they are stored and burned; what thin on the outside, fat on the inside means; whether people can be healthy at any size; environmental factors that contribute to obesity; and what people can do to manage weight.


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🎙 What Robert Lustig, MD, & Mike Haney discuss:

(09:40) — Three things are required for fat storage to occur

(21:54) — The key to fat loss is reducing insulin

(23:39) — Refined carbohydrates lead to fat storage

(32:41) — What is metabolically healthy obesity?

(42:05) — Visceral fat causes “metabolic mayhem”

(45:40) — What is thin on the outside fat on the inside?

(50:27) — Stress causes the accumulation of visceral fat

(58:06) — Exercise helps burn visceral fat

(01:00:58) — The key to being healthy

(1:06:12) — Endocrine-disrupting chemicals also play a role in obesity

(1:26:46) — Is there such a thing as “health at any size”?

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