Maria Bowler—author, coach, and host of the Make Human podcast–is back for the third time! This time our conversation focuses on creativity, embodiment, and the sacred work of becoming more fully human.

Maria shares her journey of launching a new medium, the transition from writing books to podcasting. She also reflects on the difference between creating from the mind and creating from a place of deeper presence, sharing how movement, conversation, and community have become essential parts of her creative practice.

Maria introduces a poem that met her during a season of heartbreak and spiritual upheaval. Christian Wiman's "And I Said to My Soul, Be Loud" became a companion that invited her beyond fear, control, and self-reliance into a deeper awareness of God's presence.

Together we remember how works of art often find us exactly when we need them most, becoming unexpected gateways to healing, hope, and transformation.

Resources & Links:

• Podcast: Make Human

• Book: Making Time by Maria Bowler

• Poem: "And I Said to My Soul, Be Loud" by Christian Wiman

• Website: www.mariabowler.com

• Leave a review of Art Is How God Loves Us on Amazon and Goodreads

• Book Launch Events

I'd love to hear about the works of art that have become thin places in your own life. In fact, we are doing a call for guest-post submissions over on Substack. You can learn more and submit yours by visiting: https://artistsforjoy.org/artsopendoor