Psychologists Off the Clock

318. Your Path to Personal Change with Michelle Drapkin


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If you are struggling to make positive changes in your life, our interview with Dr. Michelle Drapkin is full of inspiration on prioritizing and being compassionate with yourself, even when facing setbacks. 

As we dig into research-proven strategies from Michelle’s new self-help book, The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change, you’ll learn how motivational interviewing works and helps you move in the direction of what's important to you and your values. If you feel stuck or unsure about where to start, Michelle's tips on identifying targets for change and how to get unstuck using change talk will help you gain clarity and momentum. Tune in to learn how to harness your intrinsic motivation so that you can understand the "Why" behind your journey and make changes that last!

 Listen and Learn: 
  • What is motivational interviewing?
  • The stages of change and why they’re not linear 
  • Is Michelle’s book, The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change, suitable for everyone, no matter your stage of change?
  • Is there a more skillful way to identify targets for change and goals?
  • Change begins with the DARN CAT
  • Sustained talk vs. change talk 
  • Michelle's top tips for creating behavioral change
  • What to do if you encounter a setback  

  • Resources: 
    • Visit Dr. Michelle Drapkin’s website
    • Get your copy of Michelle's book, The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change: The Essential Workbook for Creating the Life You Want
    • The CBT Center 
    • Follow Michelle on LinkedIn
    • How to Change by Katy Milkman

      About Michelle Drapkin

      Dr. Michelle Drapkin has been working in the area of behavior change for over 20 years. She is the Owner/Director of the CBT Center and previously held roles as a Senior Behavioral Scientist at BetterUp, where she worked to advance the science and practice of evidence-based coaching in the workplace, and at Johnson and Johnson where she led the development and deployment of behavior change interventions, including an intervention for wellbeing and mindfulness. She held a national position at the Department of Veterans Affairs and was on faculty at the University of Pennsylvania. She is a board-certified Clinical Psychologist who sees patients in her private practice, consults with healthcare tech startups, and delivers trainings and workshops on communication, motivation, health, and well-being at work and in life. She is the author of The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change: The Essential Workbook for Creating the Life You Want.


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      • 297. School of Hard Talks with Emily Kline
      • 243. Get it Done with Ayelet Fishbach
      • 215. How to Change with Katy Milkman
      • 167. Get Curious and Change Unhealthy Habits with Judson Brewer
      • 135. Power of Empathy and Motivational Interviewing with Stephen Rollnick
      • 66. Helping People Change Using Motivational Interviewing with Nadine Mastroleo
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