One of our funnier guests in some time, John Vanderslice is an indie musician, producer, and captain of the infamous Tiny Telephone studios in San Francisco. We chat with him from his home in Los Angeles about the gilded failures of fashion’s biggest night, Kim K only ate tomatoes for 16 days but didn't eat on the carpet, why John escaped the Bay Area, covid fucking LA restaurants up, buying drugs on the Silk Road, Bitcoin is the new hundred dollar bill, ceremonial drug usage, edging doesn’t have to end in the bedroom, going sober on tour, working at Chez Panisse in the 90s, we spitball how covid started, doing fat caterpillar lines of cocaine, which countries to avoid when touring in Europe, all the ways John relates himself to a rat, and we end with a handful of his favorite low-level schemes, scams, and slights of hand.

Outro Song: MK Ultra - The Dream Is Over (1999)

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