In this mic drop filled episode, Pete introduces Jen to an idea that he learned from his swimming coach, and they dive in to thinking about effort, attention, and process.

Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

• Why might we equate huffing and puffing with success or hard work?
• What tactics might we use to become more efficient? 
• How might we let go of an old process or mental model, to make room for a new one?

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