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In this episode of The Incubator Podcast, Ben and Daphna sit down with Dr. Dena Hubbard, neonatologist and Director of Quality at Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital’s NICU. Dr. Hubbard is widely recognized for her leadership in trauma-informed care, physician well-being, and advocacy work within the American Academy of Pediatrics.

She shares her journey from private practice to becoming a national voice for trauma-informed approaches in neonatal care. Dr. Hubbard explains how an early encounter with a NICU family transformed her understanding of parental stress, judgment, and resilience—and how that moment shaped her mission to change the way care is delivered. She outlines the principles of trauma-informed care and how these practices differ from traditional family-centered models, emphasizing curiosity over judgment and building trust across the care team.

The conversation also explores physician wellness. Dr. Hubbard speaks candidly about burnout, the role of coaching and therapy, and how she redefined her professional path after personal challenges, including grief and illness. Her perspective offers both practical insights for the bedside and a message of hope for healthcare providers navigating stress and systemic pressures.

This episode highlights the importance of culture change in NICUs and the value of caring for both families and providers.

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