Nabil Ayers is the President of Beggars Group US, working with artists like The National, Grimes, and Big Thief. He’s written about race and music for the NYT, GQ, and Rolling Stone. His new memoir My Life in the Sunshine is out now. We chat about the end of ambition, in defense of robot labour, ablest Beyoncé, Nabil just got an electronic drum-kit because he’s 50, music is his drug, Kid & Play style hair, it would be cool to go on Tucker and dress like him, Nabil knows more about 90’s alternative rock music than Chris, why artists sell more tickets than others, Depeche M’Odeon, do songs go viral on Tik Tok because they’re ethereal? It’s hard to stab yourself to death, why Xan Hathaway’s having a resurgence, approaching celebrities at the grocery store, we saw Billy Joel blasting a cig at Gjelina, and Elon’s dad.

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