Mom and Mind

390: From Fertility to Parenthood: Better Care for BIPOC Families with Dr. Suzanne Mungalez


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There are internal and societal pressures in making birthing and parenting decisions that are magnified for the BIPOC community. My guest explains how incorporating ancestral practices can be supportive and shares her valuable work and the importance of doulas for people of color.

Dr. Suzanne Mungalez (aka Dr. Zann) is a licensed clinical psychologist in CA certified in perinatal mental health, childbirth educator, certified lactation education specialist, and trained doula. She has worked in hospital settings and birthing centers alongside OB-GYNs, midwives, and other birth workers. She is black, Congolese-American, and queer, along with being a gender-expansive woman and mother who has given birth in the comfort of her own home. Her background and experience shape her expertise in clinical work and how she holds space for her patients. Dr. Zann describes herself as “tender with people, tough on systems, and relentlessly committed to our collective liberation.” 

Show Highlights:

  • Dr. Zann’s path to the perinatal work she does today
  • The need to equip people with knowledge
  • Everyone needs support and community!
  • Pressures in birthing and parenting decisions for people of color
  • Dr. Zann’s help includes guided meditation, visualizations, therapy, and education.
  • The benefits of incorporating ancestral background into birth experiences
  • Considerations for people of color in “mom rage” and finding safe spaces to express yourself
  • Understanding the role and benefits of a doula
  • Dr. Zann’s unique support for people in the transition to parenthood
  • Ways of telling your birth story that bring empowerment, healing, and community
  • How things are changing for the better for the BIPOC community—but it’s still not enough! More support is always needed!
  • Dr. Zann’s appeal to people of color

  • Resources:

    Connect with Dr. Zann: Website and Instagram

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services. 

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.  

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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    Mom and MindBy Katayune Kaeni, Psy.D., PMH-C

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