Alex Pappademas is a writer from Los Angeles, his new book, Quantum Criminals: Ramblers, Wild Gamblers, and Other Sole Survivors from the Songs of Steely Dan, is out soon. We chat about the WGA and AI, Chris had an unenjoyable meal, the intersection of Rennaissance Faire and Caroline Polachek fans, attention spans at concerts, Fall Out Boy embedding their own tears in limited edition vinyl, Silverlake gentrification, the contractual agreement of a pizza party, cool celebrity music producers (not the court system) should be the ones who decide if a song has been illegally sampled, when you realize writers don't make enough money, well-produced award-winning documentary podcasts vs. bros talking, and we ask Alex if it's true that Steely Dan is just Fleetwood Mac for Republicans.

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