Danielle Calder, therapist and creator of the well-known Instagram account @OurMotherInHeaven, joins Jess and Kate for a conversation on sharing about Heavenly Mother in the social media space. She discusses what the last 5 years have been like, from starting the first Heavenly Mother-specific Instagram account, to amplifying the voices of marginalized folks, to seeing other accounts join the scene. Danielle describes what she wants to see for women and others in the church, as a therapist and seeker herself. She defines cognitive dissonance/nuance, and shares some perspective for when church is hard. She also invites listeners to the upcoming art show and fireside "Let's Talk About Heavenly Mother," which will take place at the Provo Library in Utah on June 25th. This event will be available to attend in person with ASL translation and online.