We spoke with John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats, whose new record, Jenny From Thebes, is out now on Merge. We chat about Troye Allen White flower shopping with Rosalia, being constantly sick if you have kids, he makes a case for 4/4 drumming, the new Beatles song being unnecessary, the Krishna Kitchen, I make John teach Chris how to play Magic: The Gathering, mystery authors and baseball pitchers, buying water at the airport, his stage footwear through the years, and John explains why he made himself get into The Grateful Dead.

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