January 03, 2024

59. What Happens When You Give an Octopus MDMA? Opening the Critical Window for Accelerated Learning & Healing with Dr. Gul Dölen & Stefanie Cohen

1 hour 13 minutes

Dr. Dölen earned her M.D., Ph.D. at Brown University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), and completed postdoctoral training in the Department of Psychiatry at Stanford University. Dr. Dölen is currently an Associate professor of Neuroscience and Neurology at the Johns Hopkins University, School of Medicine. Her laboratory has discovered a novel mechanism that could account for the broad range of therapeutic applications for which psychedelics are currently being tested. Specifically, the Dolen lab has discovered critical periods can be reopened with the psychedelic drugs like MDMA (Nardou, et al Nature, 2019), LSD, psilocybin, ketamine, and ibogaine (Nardou et al, Nature 2023). Importantly, understanding psychedelics through this framework dramatically expands the scope of disorders that might benefit from adjunct therapy with psychedelics, an approach she has dubbed the PHATHOM project (Psychedelic Healing: Adjunct Therapy Harnessing Opened Malleability).

Stefanie Cohen’s healing path began in an effort to heal herself from a decades-long struggle with anxiety and depression. After years of being on and off various psychotropic medications, she finally gave up and began seeking help from the natural world. In 2015, Stefanie started working with herbal allies in a ceremonial context and experienced the deep healing and vast intelligence the natural world offers.

Eventually, Stefanie returned to a state of peace and began a deep exploration into her own psyche and the true nature of consciousness. She then started working with meditation and contemplation, exploring the teachings of mystics and wisdom traditions. At the same time, studying and experiencing personally various therapeutic modalities such as Hakomi and Internal Family Systems, in which she holds a Level 1 certification. Stefanie also looked to indigenous teachings: apprenticing to soul work through Vision Quests and land-based practices, learning shamanism with Rose Khalsa and sitting in deep meditation with the moon and the mountain. She holds a certificate from the Synthesis Institute’s Psychedelic Practitioner Training, which offers a new paradigm for mental health care, and has completed the Rainbow Bridges School for Evolutionary Guides.

Stefanie brings humility and humor, honesty and compassion, skill and curiosity to her work with clients as she considers it a great honor to be able to work with them in that way.

Episode Highlights

Discussing Dr. Gul's octopus study
Understanding social behaviors in octopuses
Effects of MDMA on octopuses
Implications of the octopus experiment
Exploring the concept of consciousness
Understanding “critical periods” of learning
Psychedelics as a potential master key for opening critical periods
Understanding the effects of MDMA in different contexts
Exploring the potential of psychedelics in enhancing specific skills
The future of psychedelics in treating neuropsychiatric diseases
Challenging the biochemical imbalance model of disease
The evolutionary significance of critical periods
The durations of different psychedelic medicines and their impact on critical periods
The future of psychedelics in personal optimization and biohacking
Controversy surrounding the use of psychedelics in autism treatment

Dr. Gul Dölen

Website: www.dolenlab.org

Stefanie Cohen

Website: www.harveymountainhealing.com

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

Documentary: My Octopus Teacher (2020), directed by Pippa Ehrlich and James Reed
Book: Are You My Mother? by P.D. Eastman

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