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A heart-meets-mind discussion about complexity science and its suprising relation to Daoism, with physicist Jean Boulton. The conversation explores how stability and change are part of a reflexive interweaving of relationships, the importance of actions and behaviors in co-creating the future, and the role of compassion and love in fostering resilience. We also touch on the profound influence of spiritual practices such as Taoism and Buddhism on understanding complexity. The discussion emphasizes the necessity of integrating heart and mind, and how seemingly small, compassionate acts can create significant shifts. Whether you're interested in spiritual traditions, scientific perspectives, or personal development, this episode offers a rich tapestry of insights to inspire and guide you.

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00:00 Introduction to Change and the Dao

00:33 The Interconnectedness of Actions and Behaviors

01:11 Embracing Complexity and Wider Perspectives

01:43 Guest Introduction: Jean's Background and Interests

01:50 Understanding Complexity in Science and Everyday Life

04:03 The Mechanistic Worldview vs. Complexity Science

06:29 Personal Journey: From Physics to Philosophy

08:09 The Influence of Family and Early Philosophical Interests

11:14 Process Complexity and the Dao

11:41 The Paradox of Stability and Change

13:31 The Role of Context and History in Shaping Patterns

14:11 Discovering Daoism and Its Connection to Complexity

15:47 The Nuances of Daoism in Understanding Complexity

19:21 The Importance of Actions, Intentions, and Purpose

26:13 The Role of Attention and Noticing in Complexity

27:55 Integrating Heart, Mind, and Body in Complexity Science

33:23 The Embodied Experience of Complexity

35:02 The Interdisciplinary Nature of Complexity

36:04 Meditation and Embodiment

37:19 Tibetan Yoga and Compassion

40:16 Childhood and Personal Growth

42:42 Societal Wounds and Addictions

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