Rod Francis joins me to explore what coaches need to learn as AI becomes more present in our work. We talk about embodiment as lived experience rather than technique, and why presence, unpredictability and felt sense are things machines struggle to replicate. We also get into transhumanism, Western culture's tendency to objectify the body, and the deeper question of what it actually means to be human.

We cover learning through practice, beginner's mind, working responsibly with trauma, and the challenges of training coaches in a world where people arrive over-informed but under-practiced. A grounded, honest conversation about learning, coaching, and why real human connection still matters.

Rod's coach training is: https://www.interactualizer.com/emergent-coach-training/ Rod's personal coaching: https://www.rodfranciscoaching.com/

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Rod Francis is a US-based coach, educator, storyteller, researcher and writer who has led professional coach training programs across Europe and the USA for more than fifteen years. As founder and creator of the ICF-accredited Emergent Coach Training and a Certified Focusing Professional, he's pioneered a model of Focusing-Oriented Coaching that unites presence, embodiment, and awareness-based practice with professional coaching competencies. A former professional dancer, performer, and entrepreneur, Rod's work explores the confluence of ancient wisdom traditions, somatic intelligence, mindfulness, systems thinking, and contemporary science to foster human transformation, optimization and the easing of individual, social, and ecological suffering.

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