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What happens when faith becomes painful—but you still want to stay?

In this episode of Inside Out, Jim Bennett and Ian Wilks welcome author, speaker, and host of the Listen, Learn & Love podcast Richard Ostler for a candid conversation about belonging, compassion, and the power of creating space for people whose experiences don't fit neatly into traditional expectations.

Richard shares insights from years of listening to and supporting Latter-day Saints navigating faith crises, questions about church teachings, LGBTQ experiences, and complex family relationships. Together, the hosts and Richard explore what it means to lead with empathy rather than judgment, how authentic listening can build bridges across deep differences, and why creating a sense of belonging matters more than winning arguments.