Los Angeles singer-songwriter Jensen McRae is an artist whose star is rising fast. At 27 she has already been releasing music for a decade, and the last two years saw her tour with MUNA, and Noah Kahan. Her impeccably crafted second album I Don't Know How But They Found Me! is her first for indie stalwart label Dead Oceans, and she joins Carmel Holt to talk about her nearly lifelong sense of self-confidence despite feeling the outsider in school, her love of working with - and listening to - other women songwriters, and learning to live in our appearance-obsessed culture.