In this candid solo episode, Sarah takes you inside her brain for an unfiltered reflection on two powerful life lessons she's been processing.

First, she explores how some of life's biggest disappointments - from failed business partnerships to missed opportunities - often become our greatest blessings in disguise. Through personal stories about fitness studio collaborations that fell through and teaching positions she didn't get, Sarah reveals how these "failures" forced her to fully commit to building MindBodyBehavior.

Then, she challenges the common excuse of "it's not the right time" or "I'm not ready," asking for an operational definition of what the "right time" actually looks like.

If you've been waiting for perfect conditions to make a change, start something new, or take a risk, this episode will make you reconsider whether that perfect moment will ever actually arrive.

Resources Mentioned

• Barre teaching certifications and fitness studio experience

• Lagree Studio classes and instructor auditions

• MindBodyBehavior business development

• Knitting classes as a postpartum hobby example

• Recent MindBodyBehavior masterclass

Quotes from This Episode
"Sometimes when things don't work out, they really, really work out."
"I needed to rip that safety net off so I could truly have that moment of, like, no, I don't need that safety net, because I could build this business."
"When you say, I'm not ready, or it's not the right time, I'm gonna need an operational definition of that, because truly, in life, it's never gonna be the right time to do something different."
"If you can't clearly define what that is, you might want to do some reflecting, because if you don't, you're just going to get stuck in this day-to-day of going through the motions."
"There's never gonna be a right time. It's going to be - I'm gonna make the decision to do X, Y, or Z, and then I'm gonna do it."
"Not making a decision is making a decision, and I need to think about what I want, think about the scenario, not saying to just rush and make rash decisions, but we need to stop over-analyzing everything."
"If you're gonna commit to something, just commit, right? Like, say, I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna go all-in with 100%."

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Connect With Us

• Mind BodyBehavior Website

• BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD

• 32 CEU Board Approved Health Coaching Program

• Amplify Building Business Program

• Email: [email protected]

• Social Media: @mindbodybehavioranalyst

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Join Sarah as she reconnects with Dani (Daniela Galves Moreno), BCBA and co-founder of Brawn and Bloom, for an inspiring conversation about courage, personal growth, and creating change in the ABA field.

Dani shares her incredible journey from working at Nemours Children's Hospital to taking a bold 4-month solo travel adventure that transformed her career path. Discover how this leap of faith led to co-founding Self Set Go, the field's first conference dedicated to clinician wellness and personal development.

If you're feeling stuck in traditional ABA roles or curious about applying behavior analysis to personal growth and entrepreneurship, this episode offers both inspiration and practical wisdom about taking courageous steps toward your own 2.0 version.

Resources Mentioned

• Rollins College (Danny's undergraduate experience)

• Florida Institute of Technology (FIT) - BCaBA and BCBA programs

• Nemours Children's Hospital

• Brawn and Bloom company

• Self Set Go Conference - October 10th and 11th, 2025

  • Theme: "Redefining Success and Discovering Your 2.0"

• Dr. Sarah E. Hill - Your Brain on Birth Control book

• Dr. Tyra Sellers - supervision and wellness keynote

• Dr. Cassie Holmes - Happier Hour book

• Dr. Karen Norton - Body Brain Alliance

• Kendra's nutrition workshop

• 15% discount code: MindBodyBehavior

Quotes from This Episode
"When things are meant to be for you, they will be for you no matter what. So if you are right now in a moment in your life where you're like, I don't know if this is the right thing to do, and what if I go, and maybe this... like, all the ifs, stop and just go with whatever your heart is telling you to do."

"Shoot the shots, right? Like, what is... shoot the shots. There's no... nothing that could go wrong. Like, if he says no, well, I go back to square one. I didn't have that opportunity before, so I lost, truly, nothing, but if he does say yes, I gained a whole lot."

"There is a lot of wisdom that comes from sitting with your own thoughts and nobody else. And the knowledge that you gain from those moments is knowledge that you can't gain any other way but when you are on your own."

"We want to shift away from that and actually teach clinicians how to manage their time so that they can be both professionals, but also human beings outside of BCBA, because being BCBA is only one part of us as human beings."

"Everything is temporary, so whatever situation you're in, in the moment, it tends to feel very heavy, and like you're never gonna get out of it. But remember that nothing lasts forever."

"Don't compare your Chapter 1 to someone else's Chapter 20, because that's not fair to you. And everybody started on chapter 1, so nobody just randomly woke up and was on chapter 20."

"In order for you to be courageous, fear must be present. So whenever we're thinking that, oh, I'm so scared to do it, I'm just not gonna do it... don't let fear stop you, because when fear is present, that means that you're in the right path."

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Connect With Us
Mind BodyBehavior Website
BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD
32 CEU Board Approved Health Coaching Program
Amplify Building Business Program
Email: [email protected]
Social Media: @mindbodybehavioranalyst
Brawn and Bloom Website: Dani's Contact Page
Dani's Instagram: @brawnandbloom

In this solo episode, Sarah breaks down the crucial differences between behavior goals, emotional goals, and outcome goals and why getting stuck on the wrong type can leave you frustrated and spinning your wheels.

Whether you're a BCBA working with clients or someone looking to create more meaningful change in your own life, this episode will shift your perspective on what goals actually work and why focusing on what you can control makes all the difference.

Resources Mentioned

• Cooper's ABA 101 - Dead Man's Test concept

• ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) framework

• Magic Wand Exercise from ACT

• Seven Day Documentary exercise

• Values-based living research

Quotes from This Episode
"We have a lot of control over our own behavior, especially our overt behavior, but we have zero control over what the outcome of our behavior is going to be. And that is a very hard pill for us to swallow."

"Most of our clients are gonna come to us and say, I wanna feel x, y, or z. Like I said, they wanna feel happy. They wanna feel relaxed. Typically, they or they might say, I wanna stop feeling a certain way."

"Learning those psychological flexibility skills - you wanna think about this as actually learning a new skill as a behavioral goal."

"Sometimes we get so focused on the outcome that when we don't reach the outcome, we think everything was a waste of time or a waste of energy, when in fact, we just didn't understand."

Connect With Us
Mind BodyBehavior Website
BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD
32 CEU Board Approved Health Coaching Program
Amplify Building Business Program
Email: [email protected]
Social Media: @mindbodybehavioranalyst

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Ever wondered how a makeup artist became one of the pioneering BCBAs in the health and fitness space?

In this inspiring episode, Chauntae from Path to Goals shares her complete transformation journey from beauty industry professional to BCBA to successful nutrition coaching entrepreneur.

If you're feeling stuck in traditional ABA settings or curious about building a physique transformation business using behavior analysis principles, this candid conversation covers the real challenges of entrepreneurship, authentic marketing, and building a business that serves your ideal clients. Chauntae doesn't hold back on the investments, risks, and mindset shifts required to create something extraordinary outside the traditional BCBA path.

Resources Mentioned

• Path to Goals (Chauntae’s nutrition coaching business)

• DHA Labs (functional health testing partnership)

• Julie Soliak (early mentorship)

• Behavior Bitches podcast (2019 appearance)

• Instagram Stories (for building confidence on camera)

• Various business coaching and marketing master classes

• Powerlifting, Olympic weightlifting, and bodybuilding communities

Quotes from This Episode
"I love a good challenge. I also don't accept no for an answer. And what I realized was that what I was doing isn't isn't that unique. And I think a lot of BCBAs need to understand that people become entrepreneurs from corporate all the time."

"I think BCBAs have a hard time understanding that because there's not a lot of people within our field going against the traditional mold."

"I had to learn the skill of talking in very simple terms and not overcomplicating it... most people that are online read at a fifth grade reading level, so you have to speak at that level."

"You cannot build a strong house and an unstable foundation. So it's really learning those executive functioning skills, time management, planning, organization, routines."

"The whole point in teaching these skills is that you're able to do them on your own at some point. And so that's our main priority as coaches is to work ourselves out of a job."

"I always tell women, I'm like, you're not just here for the 15 pounds. Let's dig deeper. What do we really want."

Connect With Us
Mind BodyBehavior Website
BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD
32 CEU Board Approved Health Coaching Program
Amplify Building Business ProgramEmail: [email protected]Social Media: @mindbodybehavioranalyst

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Feeling stuck in a funk and constantly reaching for your phone?

In this solo episode, Sarah shares her personal journey of breaking up with her smartphone and the immediate results she experienced in less than a week.

From buying old-school alarm clocks to setting strict phone boundaries, Sarah gets vulnerable about the pressure she put on herself to be available 24/7 and how stepping away from constant connectivity unleashed a flood of creativity and focus.

If you're a BCBA or business owner feeling tethered to your device, this episode offers practical strategies and permission to disconnect without the guilt.

Resources Mentioned

• Digital alarm clocks (old school plug-in style)

• Thrift store clocks as alternatives

• Sunday screen time reminders (iPhone feature)

Quotes from This Episode
"I felt like in order to be a good leader and to set a good example, I had to be available all the time. And when I really stopped and paused, I thought about like, what do I want to model for myself? And for my team, I do not expect my team, nor do I want my team to be available 24 seven."

"I think for a while, even with text messages, I got in such a habit that everything needed an immediate response. Every text message, every email, every call, I felt like needed a response immediately. And that was the pressure that I put on myself."

"I have noticed in less than a week, my creativity is like overflowing. I am getting so many awesome, if I do say so myself, ideas for this podcast for business decisions, for mind, body behavior, for other things outside of work."

"If I am building a business where I have to be online 24 seven to feel like I'm getting a constant flow of new clients, new insurance, that I am doing something wrong. I am not building my business the way I want to build it."

"Take a week of baseline data and just see when you're most frequently using your phone and also do some like pre post data, right? So noticing like, okay, what am I feeling right now? Then I'm going to pick up my phone and use my phone for X amount of time. How do I feel afterwards?"

Connect With Us
Mind BodyBehavior Website
BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD
32 CEU Board Approved Health Coaching Program
Amplify Building Business Program
Email: [email protected]
Social Media: @mindbodybehavioranalyst

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Discover how a board certified health coach is revolutionizing workplace performance by applying behavior analysis principles in organizational settings.

In this episode, Sarah sits down with current supervisee Lisa Vega, who brings a unique perspective as someone transitioning from health coaching to becoming a BCBA.

Lisa shares fascinating case studies from her work as a manager, including how she used ABA principles to improve AI usage among coaches, enhance customer satisfaction ratings, and create more objective performance evaluations.

If you're curious about applying behavior analysis beyond traditional autism settings or want to see how ABA can transform workplace dynamics, this conversation will inspire you to think differently about where our science can make an impact.

Resources Mentioned

• Mind Body Behavior supervision program

• Board certified health coaching certification

• Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) in organizational settings

• Customer satisfaction surveys and data collection systems

• Motivational Interviewing (MI) techniques

• Operational definitions for workplace behaviors

• Performance evaluation rubrics and objective measurement systems

• Spanish language ABA resources and cultural adaptation

• Puerto Rico ABA services and waiting lists

Quotes from This Episode
"Every behavior have a story behind it... being able to explain that, with other lens and also, like, as a health coach by heart, as a leader, and also as a behavior analyst."

"After you have the data, everything else is super easy... just recollecting the data for a few weeks about coaches that were sharing their concerns in different meetings."

"It's not only, like, making translations. It's also how you can adapt culturally these resources, you know, according, to the different, like, cultural needs."

"You are doing the work, but with the BCBA or behavioral analyst, you can put, like, the right names to it... you can use these tools and resources to, like, being able to, like, transmit that knowledge."

Connect With Us
Mind Body Behavior Website
BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD
32 CEU Board Approved Health Coaching Program
Amplify Building Business Program
Email: [email protected]
Social Media: @mindbodybehavioranalyst

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Ready to break free from traditional ABA and explore entrepreneurship?

In this episode, Sarah sits down with Mellanie Page, a 15-year ABA veteran who transformed her career from traditional clinical work to building multiple successful businesses.

Mellanie shares her journey through operations, getting an MBA (and why she considers it a mistake), and eventually finding her calling in organizational behavior management and business coaching.

If you're feeling stuck in traditional settings or curious about applying behavior analysis beyond autism, this conversation will show you exactly how to take action and create the career you actually want.

Resources Mentioned

• MBA programs (and why they may not be necessary for entrepreneurs)

• OBM Practitioner Program (12-week project-based program)

• Digital Clinician Program (90-day online business coaching)

• ABA Collective (monthly CEUs and training)

• Organizational Behavior Management (OBM) framework

• Clinical Entrepreneur CEU series

• Value-based pricing strategies

• Amazon Storefront and affiliate marketing

Quotes from This Episode

• "You don't get burned out from the science. You get burned out from applying it in a way that doesn't let you up."

• "I think we're conditioned to believe we have to have a full plan and a career built out before we start dabbling and exploring."

• "If an RBT can teach something to a business owner outside of our industry, then why can't a BCBA, with all of this foundational knowledge, learn a framework, start getting applied practice, and get really good at it?"

• "I don't care about your burnout if you're not making decisions that guide you toward a different path."

• "You have to be a few steps ahead of people. And to be honest, if you want to work in another industry, a lot of business owners don't even understand the concept of reinforcement."

• "Money is the currency for freedom. Whether people like that or not, that's okay, but it is."

Connect With Us
Mind Body Behavior Website
BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD
32 CEU Board Approved Health Coaching Program
Amplify Building Business Program

Email: [email protected]

Social Media: @mindbodybehavioranalyst

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Podcast Episode Show Notes

Join Sarah as she sits down with Ali, a BCBA and first cohort member of the Board-Approved Health Coaching Program. Ali shares her powerful journey from teaching kindergarten and first grade for eight years to becoming a BCBA, and now specializing in health coaching for women navigating infertility, IVF, and early motherhood.

Through vulnerable storytelling about her own fertility struggles, Ali reveals how she discovered her passion for supporting others through one of life's most challenging experiences. If you're a BCBA wondering how to apply behavior analysis outside traditional settings, or if you're curious about the intersection of ACT principles and reproductive health challenges, this episode offers both inspiration and practical insights into creating meaningful change in people's lives.

• How Ali transitioned from early childhood education to behavior analysis
• Her experience navigating infertility and the emotional toll of IVF
• The ways Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) shows up in health coaching
• What it means to reclaim joy and identity during early motherhood
• How Ali supports clients with compassion, self-love, and individualized care
• Insights from MindBodyBehavior's health coaching certification program
• How behavior analysis can be applied to deeply human, emotional journeys
• Why BCBA skills are valuable far beyond traditional settings

"I always felt kind of drawn to students who had some challenges with their behaviors and just kinda figuring them out... felt a strong connection with that."

"The more I learned, the more it's like things that I already do on a day-to-day basis as a teacher, but recognizing all the terminology that goes along with it."

"I took my BCBA exam when he was three weeks old. And I still to this day don't know how I did that."

"I have learned so much in such a condensed and short amount of time. I can't thank you enough. I feel like this is going to be truly life changing for me."

"I felt like I lost so much of myself and what brought me joy... to help other people find what was joyful to them before going through this."

"I wanna give people that control back in a way that's helpful to them... the permission to feel everything they need to feel and not be ashamed of it."

"This isn't about me. This is about my client and my client feeling like they're doing something for themselves at the end of it."

• MindBodyBehavior Board-Approved Health Coaching Program
• National Board for Health and Wellness Coaching certification
• ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) principles
• Choice Point Model
• Perfect Day activity for high school students
• Upcoming CEU: ACT and Infertility (August)
• Guest speakers: Bradley (health coaching), Tom (ACT Matrix presentation)
• Facebook support groups for infertility

• MindBodyBehavior Website
• BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD
• 32 CEU Board-Approved Health Coaching Program
• Amplify Building Business Program
• Email: [email protected]
• Social Media: @mindbodybehavioranalyst
• Ali's Coaching Services: [email protected]

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What happens when you apply behavior analysis principles to afterschool programming and parent engagement?

In this inspiring episode, Sarah sits down with Violeta, one of her current supervisees who is transforming how we think about ABA outside traditional settings.

Violeta shares her incredible journey from having no fieldwork hours to creating systematic interventions that doubled parent participation in family engagement events.

If you're a BCBA candidate wondering how to accrue supervision hours outside of autism services, or you're curious about applying behavior analysis in educational and community settings, this episode showcases the powerful impact you can make when you think creatively about where our science can be applied.

Resources Mentioned

• Communities in Schools of the Dallas Region

• ACE Afterschool Program

• Dallas Junior League Kids in the Kitchen Program

• Dallas and Terrell School Districts

• OsteCon Conference (Texas afterschool programs conference)

• Bachelor's in Biology, Master's in Psychology, Graduate Certificate in Applied Behavior Analysis

• Loteria (Mexican bingo game used in programming)

• Bulls Eye Exercise (ACT intervention)

• Facebook groups for BCBA supervision connections

Quotes from This Episode

"I honestly didn't know how I was going to be able to obtain [fieldwork hours] because I didn't have any background in the clinical field where that's the only - in my mind, that was the only way I would be able to accrue them."

"This year, we literally hit the ground running. We started day one after school program... we doubled in parent participation and even more than that in most of the campuses."

"I would say definitely don't be afraid of just seeking out opportunities and making those connections... oftentimes, we are our own selves are kind of like the ones we may limit ourselves."

"When we look at it from a behavior analytic lens, right, like, using a preferences type assessment, and then that reminder, just the simple intervention of providing different reminders and how much of an impact that had."

"Think about everything that we just talked about. Think about the impact that you were able to make with behavior analysis... your clients, a lot of the time, were your site coordinators, your team, and teaching your team how to actually implement the interventions that you came up with."

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Meet Kendra, Sarah's right-hand woman and co-instructor for MindBodyBehavior's National Board Health Coaching Program.

From working in residential facilities with high-risk behaviors to coaching veterans and teaching motivational interviewing to National Guard leaders, Kendra’s career shows just how diverse an ABA path can be.

Plus, get behind-the-scenes insights into their health coaching program—and learn why “just telling people what to do” isn’t actually coaching.

In This Episode, Sarah and Kendra Discuss:

• How a Facebook tag led to their partnership and co-teaching journey

• Kendra’s transition from traditional ABA to nutrition and health coaching

• Her personal story of healing from hormonal imbalances

• Supporting veterans through Mission 22 and National Guard programs

• Teaching motivational interviewing to military leadership

• The behavioral science behind grocery shopping

• The real difference between coaching and consulting

• Setting boundaries and building a flexible career in behavior analysis

• Watching students develop their own unique coaching voices

• Common myths about what health coaching is (and isn’t)

Guest Information:
Kendra – BCBA, Board Certified Health Coach, Co-Instructor of the MindBodyBehavior Health Coaching Program

• Master's in Human Nutrition and Functional Medicine

• Certified Personal Trainer and Yoga Instructor

• Veteran support through Mission 22 nonprofit

• Motivational Interviewing Instructor for National Guard

Quotes From This Episode:
"I learned for myself—and I believe this truly for everyone else—that food can be medicine."

"By the end of it, complete buy-in. A completely different way to talk to individuals... we're all humans."

"There's not a great understanding of what coaching is. Why would I hire a coach, right? Unless you've actually experienced it."

"Think about how, if you broke [grocery shopping] down into every single step of a task analysis, there's so much that goes into that."

"The journey is part of the coaching... it’s just a very different aspect of helping somebody get to the place where they want to be."

Key Insights:

• Multiple Certifications Work: Sarah and Kendra both tried two coaching programs before landing on board-approved options

• MI Skills Transfer: Motivational interviewing strengthens communication in traditional ABA settings

• Diverse Career Paths: ABA professionals are now coaching in wellness, military, and corporate sectors

• Coaching vs. Consulting: Coaching is about guiding a process—not handing over a plan

• Flexibility Matters: Once you’ve worked on your own terms, it’s hard to go back

Resources Mentioned:

• Mission 22 (nonprofit for veterans)

• National Board for Health and Wellness Coaching (NBHWC)

• Motivational Interviewing training

• MindBodyBehavior Health Coaching Program

• LinkedIn for exploring job opportunities in coaching

Connect With Us:
MindBodyBehavior Website⁠

BCBA Supervision Program Outside ASD⁠

32 CEU Board Approved Health Coaching Program⁠

Amplify Building Business Program⁠

Email: ⁠[email protected]⁠

Social Media: ⁠@mindbodybehavioranalyst

Next Episode Preview:
Coming up: Sarah interviews a current supervisee earning BCBA hours while working at a health coaching agency—proof that you don’t have to start your own business to thrive in this space.

Interested in health coaching? Reach out to Sarah or Kendra for a conversation about whether this path might be right for you. As Kendra says, they’ll "talk and talk and talk" until you have everything you need.

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