In this midweek catch-up, Kaye and Karen dive into the all-too-relatable dilemma of parenting adult kids—when to let go, and when to hover like a true 'helicopter mum.' From Kaye’s inner turmoil over her daughter’s first road trip to Karen’s laissez-faire approach to her globetrotting kids, they ask: do we worry for them, or for ourselves? With a hilarious sidetrack on dinner plans, mysterious wall art, and what happens when the kids start watching you, this episode is packed with laughs and life lessons. (Bonus tip: butter beans and cannellini are not the same!)

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