On this episode of Staying Alive, hosts Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally sit down with entrepreneur and finance influencer Haley Sacks (aka MrsDowJones) to talk about why investing is supposed to be boring, why making money isn’t just for other people, their mutual love of watches and gambling, and the very non-replicable loophole Haley uses to keep herself honest at the casino. She also asks about the worst thing Pally & Gabrus ever did for money and wonders if having kids has changed their friendship. Misery is an inside job.

Follow Haley Sacks @mrsdowjones on YouTube and social media

This episode was recorded April 4, 2025 at SiriusXM studios in New York City

Special thanks to Jared O’Connell

Staying Alive is produced by Devon Torrey Bryant and Anne Harris

Engineered and edited by Devon Torrey Bryant, who also wrote the music

Associate producer and video editor is Maddie McCann

Executive produced by Jon Gabrus, Adam Pally, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Bernie Kaminski, and Rich Korson

Keywords for this episode: Tariffs, Submariner, GMT, Carrie Bradshaw, Twix, Investment, Vegas, Polymarket, Money Market accounts, crypto, 1985 AP Royal Oak, David Barton, girlmath, money date, UCB