A very important question—which came first, the chicken or the egg?—leads to an even more important question: what is masculinity? This extension of last week's episode where Kate interviewed Colby goes deeper into what we've both been learning about gender roles and how we're not truly whole people when we only live into the parts society tells us we're supposed to play. How do we reframe our understanding of masculinity and femininity so that all of us can be both strong and tender, bold and nurturing? This is one of the most important topics we've discussed, and we hope you find yourself coming alive through the conversation.