Ian Katz, Channel 4’s director of programmes, explains how the new series of The Great British Bake Off made it to air, and discusses the wider questions for public service broadcasters during the pandemic. Also in the programme, why the FinCEN Files are a landmark for investigative journalism, and official recognition of “charitable journalism” in the UK.

Guests: Ian Katz, Director of Programmes at Channel 4, Azeen Ghorayshi, science editor at BuzzFeed News, and Jonathan Heawood, executive director of the Public Interest News Foundation

Presenter: Amol Rajan

Producer: Richard Hooper

Studio engineer: Donald MacDonald