Welcome to the What's Next! Podcast with Tiffani Bova.

This week, I have one of my dear friends joining us. Tasha Eurich is an organizational psychologist, leadership researcher and bestselling author known for her ability to blend science and real-world insight. Her TED Talks have garnered over 10 million views. She has been named one of the world's top three most influential coaches, the Changemaker of the Decade, and one of the top 30 Emerging Management Thinkers by Thinkers50. Her latest book, Shatterproof, combines cutting-edge research with a powerful personal narrative to offer a transformative roadmap for navigating uncertainty and building true mental toughness.

THIS EPISODE IS PERFECT FOR…leaders, professionals, and high achievers who are pushing themselves to keep going in a chaotic world and wondering why it's not working anymore.

TODAY'S MAIN MESSAGE…we've been taught to push harder when things get tough, but what if that's not the solution? In this conversation, Tasha returns to the podcast to discuss why traditional resilience practices may no longer be sufficient. Drawing on new research from her book Shatterproof, she introduces a powerful roadmap for navigating constant chaos without burning out. If you've ever hit your "resilience ceiling" or felt stuck in hustle culture with nothing to show for it, this conversation will help you reframe how to thrive without self-gaslighting or grinding yourself into the ground.

KEY TAKEAWAYS…

• Why "grit gaslighting" is holding many high performers back

• What the "resilience ceiling" is and how to know when you've hit it

• The difference between pushing through and truly becoming shatterproof

• Three core human needs that must be met in order to thrive

WHAT I LOVE MOST…Tasha's insight that "resilient people push through while ignoring their needs, but shatterproof people harness their challenges to meet them." That reframing is a game-changer.

Running Time: 29:16

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Tasha's Book:

Shatterproof: How to Thrive in a World of Constant Chaos (And Why Resilience Alone Isn't Enough)

Resilience Quiz:

https://resilience-quiz.com/