Caterpillar Inc., a company that generated $54.7 billion in sales and revenue in 2018 alone, is suing us in an attempt to cancel our Class 25 trademark to "Cat & Cloud."

Baca and Chuck sit down to talk about what this means and how we're moving through it.

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