On this episode of the Alpha Exchange, I was joined by Ben Hunt, Co-founder and CIO of Perscient. Ben has built his career around one powerful idea: that the stories we tell—whether in politics, markets, or everyday life—shape our behavior far more than we realize. In the mid-2000s, entering Wall Street from outside its traditional ranks gave him a rare vantage point. He wasn’t steeped in the bullish narrative flow that dominated the industry. With an outsider’s perspective—and an ability to read the “language” of mortgage-backed securities—he was able to see flaws at the heart of a $10 trillion asset class well before the global financial crisis hit.

In our conversation, we explore how understanding narrative structure can illuminate risk in ways models cannot, and why being outside the story sometimes lets you see it most clearly.  In this context, we chat as well about Ben’s creation of the Epsilon Theory, a widely read exploration of how narratives drive markets. I have personally found his writing thought provoking. On markets, Ben is not optimistic that our political system is up for the challenge of reigning in the unwieldy debt and sees the potential for some combination of higher rates and a lower dollar as a result. Today, through Perscient, a venture he co-founded, Ben is applying AI-driven tools to map and measure narratives in real time, helping investors see the hidden storylines moving markets.

I hope you enjoy this episode of the Alpha Exchange, my conversation with Ben Hunt.