Michael also reflects on the profound reality of human suffering, pointing out how the existence of prisons and the suffering within them calls into question the true freedom we experience. He shares the unsettling statistic that the USA has the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world and the growing trend of hospices being built within prisons. The conversation turns to the universal need for healing—whether physical, mental, or emotional. Michael asks, who among us doesn't have a loved one in need of healing? He calls attention to the collective healing we all need, from our anger and depression to the loss of joy, urging us to remember how to live fully while also noticing and critiquing the world around us. Recorded August 21, 2010 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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