Where do you begin to process the last four years? All the grief, the joy, the heaviness, the fear — it's all so much to unpack. But...you have to start somewhere. We start with New York Times writer and podcaster Jenna Wortham and curator and activist Kimberly Drew.

They give us their insights and reflections on the moment, and we talk about their new anthology book Black Futures, and how it reimagines possibilities for Black people.