Josh has spoken on many occasions about his time with Zipp. The engineering. The R&D. The wins. The fails. Josh was part of a team that changed the scene, both for pro and amateur racers.

At the head of that team was Andy Ording. Andy took over Zipp from Leigh Sargent in 1998 and guided it through its glory days that Josh is so fond of. Andy's journey to carbon wheels is far from linear. A native of South Africa, he eventually found his way to the states via motorcycles. Andy's strengths are in sales and logistics and those strengths eventually led him to the bike industry.

In this episode, Andy and Josh swap Zipp stories. They also share insights on what it takes to foster new ideas. How empowering people is one of the keys to making the next great Marginal Gain.