The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

Burnout or Depression

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Curt and Katie talk about the idea that burnout and depression could actually be the same thing. We look at how stigma and a sense of superiority may inhibit clinicians from reporting that they’re actually experiencing depression rather than “burnout.”        

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

In this episode we talk about:

  • The blog article that sparked the conversation about why doctors don’t get depressed
  • The idea that burnout and depression may be the same thing
  • The functionality of diagnosis in treatment and how it impacts what one is diagnosed
  • The definitions of burnout and depression and the different schools of thought
  • The place of elitism both in the definition and the treatment of burnout
  • A sense of superiority and or a feeling of higher level on the hierarchy leading to less burnout and depression
  • Katie’s ideas around simple burnout or complicated burnout and the overuse of that word
  • Where the ideas around burnout actually came from and whether it is a sound foundation
  • The medical model divorcing depression from situational factors
  • The concern that pop psychology may have invaded the space
  • The idea that when people have sought the situation that has led to burnout or depression – there is an existential crisis
  • The rationale that it is “worth it” because we have sacrificed to move forward in our career
  • Tips from Freudenberger (who introduced the concept of Burnout) on how to avoid or treat burnout: hiring, work culture, thoughtfulness about work and work day, breaks and vacations, staff development and feeling time, sharing experiences, time off to learn, adequate staffing, balance of physical exercise
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