Today's episode is a crossover with Robert Wright's Nonzero Podcast. I have followed Bob's work for years—he is a thoughtful commentator, author, and podcaster. He asked me to come on his show to discuss how the new Trump administration may approach the United Nations and what impact Trump's policies may have on international cooperation and global governance more broadly.

This is a long episode in which I more freely share my thoughts than I would in a conventional Global Dispatches episode. But I thought you would find this conversation useful and interesting—I know I did.

The first 45 minutes of this episode are freely available, and then there's a paywall for the second half of our chat. You can access the full episode by getting a paid subscription at GlobalDispatches.org or, if you are listening on Apple Podcasts, you can unlock our premium feed directly in the app with just a few taps. I hope you do.