To celebrate Carly Rae Jepsen and mxmtoon's rad collab track "ok on your own," we paired the pop stars for what turned out to be a deep dive into the art of making music and learning to thrive in the complicated music industry.

In this very warm and insightful conversation, Carly and Maia each share their (very different!) origin stories, and explore both the art of songwriting and live performance. Carly also shares clutch career wisdom.

Check it out, and subscribe now to stay in the loop on future episodes of the Talkhouse Podcast, including Tame Impala’s Kevin Parker with Caribou’s Dan Snaith, and Deftones‘ Chino Moreno with comedian Reggie Watts. Plus, ICYMI: mxmtoon just kicked off her yearlong podcast project 365 days with mxmtoon in collab with Talkhouse, which features quirky stories from history that occurred on each day, old diary entries and more; it’s really fun, and like eight minutes long.

—Elia Einhorn, Talkhouse Podcast host and producer

For this week’s episode, Carly was recorded by Nick Theodorakis, and everyone else you hear recorded themselves. Our producer is Mark Yoshizumi.

The Talkhouse Podcast theme song was composed and performed by The Range.

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