June 13, 2025

Chime Climbs, Tech Titans Join Army Reserve, Meta Buys 49% of Scale AI | Joshua Steinman, Bernt Børnich, John Doyle, Emily Sundberg, Lennart Heim

2 hours 20 minutes

(02:47) - Joshua Steinman, founder of Galvanick, discusses the recent Israeli airstrikes on Iran's nuclear and military facilities, highlighting the precision of modern targeting technologies and the deployment of next-generation asymmetric capabilities. He notes the significant impact on Iran's military leadership and infrastructure, emphasizing the strategic implications of such operations. Steinman also reflects on the historical context of Iran-Israel relations, tracing the shift from pre-1979 alliances to the current adversarial stance, and underscores the potential for further escalation given Iran's history of targeting U.S. interests and the presence of Iranian assets capable of asymmetric attacks.

(55:51) - Bernt Bornich, CEO of 1X Technologies, discusses his lifelong passion for robotics, leading to the development of NEO, a humanoid robot designed to safely and affordably assist with everyday tasks in home environments. He emphasizes the importance of deploying robots in diverse, real-world settings to gather the necessary data for creating truly intelligent machines, highlighting that the variability of home environments provides the rich data needed for advanced AI learning. Bornich also addresses the challenges of scaling humanoid robot production, noting that while 1X has vertically integrated its manufacturing to maintain flexibility, sourcing materials like copper and aluminum in the U.S. presents logistical and cost challenges compared to China.

(01:12:19) - John Doyle, founder and CEO of Cape, a privacy-first mobile network, discusses the critical vulnerabilities in global cellular networks, emphasizing their complete lack of security and the ease with which malicious actors can exploit them. He highlights the strategic decisions by China to infiltrate global telecom infrastructure through subsidized Huawei equipment, contrasting it with U.S. carriers' outsourcing practices that have led to significant security gaps. Doyle explains that Cape addresses these issues by owning all the software that runs the network, allowing for enhanced security without the need to build physical infrastructure.

(01:25:54) - Emily Sundberg is a New York-based writer and director, best known for her daily business and internet culture newsletter, "Feed Me." In the conversation, she discusses her experience at Apple's WWDC, noting the enthusiasm of developers for the announced updates, and highlights the evolving fashion trends among attendees. She also shares insights into the competitive landscape of Substack, emphasizing the importance of quality content and active reader engagement for success.

(01:47:01) - Lennart Heim, a researcher at the Centre for the Governance of AI, focuses on the role of computational resources in AI development and governance. He discusses the impact of China's DeepSeek model on the AI landscape, highlighting its open-source nature and cost-effectiveness, which have raised concerns about potential biases and security risks in widely accessible models. Heim also emphasizes the importance of compute governance in AI regulation, suggesting that controlling access to advanced computational resources could serve as a mechanism to enforce safety standards and prevent misuse of powerful AI systems.

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