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They sure are for those who solely define apples not by their names (which are often rather exotic like Mountain Rose or Kingston Black) but rather call them by their color, red, green or yellow. In this episode hear Sean Turley and William Mullan present Apples 101, an overview on apples, and their origin at an open air event at Scotts Farm in Vermont on October 10, 2021.

Turley hails from Maine. He is an attorney who is also a passionate apple forager or more specifically a "Feral Apple Forager".

Sean Turley

Mullan is an artist from Brooklyn, New York. His book Odd Apples, is a coffee table collectable picture book of gorgeous apples.

William Mullan

• Myths of temperance
• Stark Brothers nursery and the apple - Red Delicious
• How grocery stores change the way apples are eaten vs Farmers Markets
• Tasting apples

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Mentions in this Chat

• Scotts Farm, Vermont
• Northwest Cider Club - The final special cider box for the end of the year 2021 features Montana, Idaho ciders in the Discover Box and Elevated Box
  • Listen to past episodes with makers in the Big Sky Cider Box
    • 293: Montana Cider
    • Lockhorn Cider
    • 295: Western Cider
    • 296: Bauman's Cider
• CiderCon2022 - sign up today for the Richmond, Virginia cider conference
• Audio clips from Season 4 of Cider Chat

  • 157 County Cork's Killahora Orchard | Ireland

  • 187 We Want More Cider

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Christine Walter is the cidermaker and visionary of Bauman's Cider. She grew up on an apple farm in Oregon runned by her family. As she tells it, Angry Orchard's "Crisp" was the first cider she ever tasted and it was a wake up moment that helped her realize that her family could ferment and sell cider too.

Christine Walter

Bauman's is a destination farm these days with a farm stand and events taking place year round. It has a deli, coffee shop, bakery, garden center, country store and now a cidery.

In 2015 she took the well know cider course by Peter Mitchell.

The family was already pressing 50,000 gallons of fresh pressed apple juice. The first year the cidery used 3000 gallons, the next year 10,000 gallons, in year 3 the cidery used 50,000 which required her to source apples from off the farm. In short she went from the classic Peter Mitchell model of a basic 10x10 foot cidery to a 3000 square foot operation. Despite the added space, she sees the need for more. Christine's rough estimate of current juice used in production is round about 100,000 gallons - twice the amount pressed at one time for just the fresh juice market.

Here is the full story as told by Christine in this episode from her Great, Great Grandmother's homestead. Her Great Grandfather Stephen lived his whole life on the farm and also made cider back in the day. Stephen is actually the man standing on all of Bauman's flagship cider labels.

The goal is to remain a local product and not look to produce or the wider market outside of Gervais, Oregon.

Flagship Cider

• Loganberry - hear Christine explain how to process Loganberries for cider, a bit of history of loganberries at Bauman Farm.
• All our Berries - blend of all the delicious berries that Bauman's can supply!

Traditional Ciders at Bauman's

• Small batch (100-300 gallon) single varietal ciders

Contact Bauman's Cider

Website: https://baumanscider.com/#about

Address: Bauman's Cider at Bauman Farms 12989 Howell Prairie Rd NE, Gervais, Oregon 97026

Mentions in this Chat

• Northwest Cider Club - The final special cider box for the end of the year 2021 features Montana, Idaho ciders in the Discover Box and Elevated Box

• The Place - a cider bar in Portland, Oregon
• Audio clips from Season 3 of Cider Chat
• Episodes

  • 105: Tom Oliver on Making Perry | UK

  • 109: Ice Cidermaking Tips w/ Chadd Cook

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Texans Michael Billingsley and Matthew LaRubbio are childhood friends who now both live in Montana and founded Western Cider in 2010. The cidery is based in Missoula and has an indoor and outdoor tasting room alongside the Clark Fork River. Michael credits his love for Montana to the television series Lonesome Dove which he describes as an "epic journey of two Texas Rangers who head up to Montana to start a cattle ranch". He fell for Montana via that tv series, moved up and hasn't left. In 2012 he planted an orchard which now has over 50 varieties of apples.

Michael Billingsley

"I plant new ones that I don't have every year because, I have a… bit of a sick obsession. And I just want to find out if there might be some great cultivar out there that I don't have and maybe I should." Michael Billingsley

Cidermaker Kira Bassingthwaighte was born and raised in northern Montana by Glacier National Park. She admits to not fully appreciating the breath taking views that surrounded her as a child. In short order she moved to New York to study at the Culinary Institute of America (CIA). Being in New York and specifically the Hudson River Valley met she was able to dive into her love of wine, but cider was also growing in this region too. She knew she wanted to be in the beverage world and also back in Montana. She worked for a spell at a distillery before going full in as a cidermaker and taking the lead role at Western Cider.

Kira Bassingthwaighte

• Life in Montana - misconceptions and new beginnings
• Orcharding in Montana
• Modern and Traditional cidermaking at Western
• The local thirst for cider and the changing culture of cider in the Big Sky area
• Hunting & cooking alligator and pairing it with cider

Website: https://westerncider.com/

Address: 501 N. California Missoula, MT

Phone:tele: 4065404477

Mentions in this Chat

• Northwest Cider Club - The final special cider box for the end of the year 2021 features Montana, Idaho ciders in the Discover Box and Elevated Box

• Audio clips from Season 2 of Cider Chat
  • Eric Bordelet episodes on Cider Chat 57, 58 , & 172
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  • 089: Reusing an Oak Barrel for Cider

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Alaskan natives Anna and Glenn Deal opened Lockhorn Cider in 2010 in Bozeman, Montana. Anna is a botanist and Glenn came to Montana to study and is a nurse. Lockhorn makes modern ciders with apples from Washington State and choice Montana apples like the McIntosh, but the goal is to upscale the ciders as people's palate continues to be drawn to dryer ciders.

Anna & Glenn Deal

The Tasting Room tips

• A dedicated gluten free kitchen
• Cheese and salami boards
  • They make their own hummus and pickles

• Who are the cider drinkers in Bozeman, Montana?
  • farm to table options
  • Locally crafted beverages like cider and craft beer.
• What to expect at Lockhorn's Tasting Room
• A perennialwild flower garden and apple trees
• Production room visible from Tasting Room area
  • Each tank is 18' tall and is 5x5 feet so it provides a bit of fermentation grandeur.
  • The packaging/canner line is upstairs, which is quite unusual, but again is a testimony of how Glenn and Anna were able to work with the space to suit their needs. It works!
  • The cidery has a green roof - meaning it is a living environment for plants. The roof itself is what is called a "barrel roof"
• The Story behind Lockhorn Cidery Branding

• The orchard is based in the grow Zone 3 and is a mile high in elevation.
• Planted in 8-10 feet of topsoil, the apple trees are trellised on dwarf root stock
• In addition they have 250 full sized trees
• The current cider of Lockhorn is made with juice from Washington State.
• They also utilize Montana's coveted McIntosh apples
• They also use local cherries called Flathead Cherries - expect a super sweet cherry that is considered a fresh eating cherry. Bit tart and moderately complex with a bit of tannin in the skin.

Lockhorn's Flagship Cider?

• They make weekly small batch cider releases.
• The customer's favorite (at this point) is a Grapefruit Mint cider that appears to have capture everyone's palate because it is so refreshing on the hot summer Montana days.
• And a bit of a cocktail called a Cider Mint Mojito where they continue to use mint
• The 2nd Flagship cider is the Bone Dry, which bodes well for cidermakers everywhere!

Contact Lockhorn Hard Cider

• Website: https://www.lockhornhardcider.com/
• Address
• 21 South Wallace Avenue Bozeman, MT 59715 406-580-9098

Mentions in this Chat

• Northwest Cider Club - The final special cider box for the end of the year features Montana, Idaho ciders in the Discover Box and Elevated Box

• Buy Sorbus Domestica seeds https://www.burntridgenursery.com/SERVICE-TREE-Sorbus-domestica/productinfo/NSMASER/

  • Interested in learning more about Sorbus Domestica?
    • Follow Ben Kuneš on Instragram @strom_oskoruse
    • Arnould Nazarian The French Pope of Sorbs on Instagram @arnouldnz
• Episode 30: Nat West | Reverend Nat's Hard Cider, Oregon
• Episode 34: Adam Krakowski : Author of Vermont Prohibition

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Lee McAlpine is the Founder and Owner of Montana Ciderworks based in Darby, Montana. In 2022, Lee will celebrate the 20th year of operations and has a special Pommeau release made with her cider and distilled locally. It has been aging for 3 years and will only be available at the cidery.

In 2002, she planted over 700 cider varieties that focused on 7 English Cider varieties that Lee felt would blend well with the covet Montana grown Macintosh apples.

Lee was a firefighter who had a passion for sustainable agriculture and for Montana.

Lee McAlpine

Lee has a 20 x 20 foot production room and primarily ferments in Flex tanks and has a small batch program.

The Cidery has no Tasting Room, but you can show up and buy cider on site.

Lee's cider are fermented for a year before bottling!

• Why the McIntosh is so coveted in Montana
  • The region going back to 1880 specifically growing the McIntosh was a vibrant orchard region at one time. Lee notes that it is the temperatures between day and night in this region that really helps elevate the Macs and thus they she finds notes of cinnamon to this apple variety and the cider.
  • There are 33 different spourts of McIntosh.
• Local food to pair Montana CiderWorks cider - Lee recommends the Cheddar cheese made by Lifeline Farm a Biodynamic farm.
• Why Lee chose not to have a Tasting Room

Mentions in this Chat

• Northwest Cider Club - The final special cider box for the end of the year features Montana, Idaho ciders in the Discover Box and Elevated Box
• Read Richie's Thesis on this topic: https://arrow.tudublin.ie/tfschcafdis/10/
• BudWood.org BudWood is a not-for-profit Montana CoOp whose members are apple growers, apple product manufacturers, and those aspiring to grow or manufacture.
• McIntosh Apple Days is held the first weekend of October and has been held for over 42 years!
• Ep 220: Can Sorbus Domestica Save the World
• Ep 286: A Living Language for Cider - Richie Brady's Thesis on the topic go to this link

Montana CiderWorks is For Sale! Contact Lee directly for more info

Ciders Made at Montana CiderWorks

• Small Batch - single varietal ciders - look for via vinoshipper
• North Fork - Semi-Dry English Style Cider
• Darby Pub Cider - Semi-Dry New World Style Cider
• McIntosh - Medium Sweet Single Variety Cider
• Hopped Up - Limited Release Cider

Contact info for Montana CiderWorks

Website: http://montanacider.com/

eMail: [email protected]

Address: 261 Rye Creek Road, Darby MT 59829

Phone: (406) 360-5078

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Fabio Chizzola & Laura Ferrara are the owners/farmers of Westwind Orchard located in Accord, New York on the west dies of the Hudson River. The orchard was bought in 2002 and was as Fabio described it "abandoned". Over time her pruned and replanted and open the area for Pick Your Own in 2008.

In addition to offering the apples, pizza was being made and sold. In time Fabio noticed that many of teh patrons were bringing their own wine, beer and perhaps cider to drink with the food. That was an a-ha moment, when he realized that they could do more than just offer apples to take home but instead ferment the select crop into cider!

Both Laura and Fabio are of Italian descendent with Fabio growing up in Rome, which leads to an obvious statement that rings true. "I'm Italian I know food.…I know how food should taste."

Today the orchard has 70-80 varieties of apples and the Pick Your Own option is no longer available with all the apples going into the production of Westwind Orchard's Cider.

Say Fabio, "We are using every single spot in the orchard for apples trees."

Fabio Chizzola

• Cider is poured by the glass and bottles are available for purchase.
• There is a restaurant with pasta offerings and wood fired pizza
• The main seating is all outdoors on picnic benches and even open in the winter (there is some heating but dress warmly).

• All ciders are fermented to a dry profile
• There are single varietal ciders available and also blends
• Barrel aged ciders
• Occasional ciders made with unsprayed apples and wild yeast
• Cultured yeast are used because Fabio doesn't use sulfites

Contact for Westwind Orchard

Website: https://www.westwindorchard.com/

Address:

215 LOWER WHITFIELD ROAD ACCORD, NY 12404

Mentions in this Chat

Mentions in this Chat

• Northwest Cider Club - The final special cider box for the end of the year features Montana, Idaho ciders in the Discover Box and Elevated Box
• 281: Cider Fueled Road Trip to NY and PA

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Ploughman Cider is based in Wenksville Pennsylvania on a family farm owned by the Wenks Family for the past 100 years. The farm is called Three Springs and it is exactly 1.5 miles from the ancestral farm that started back in 1818 when the first Wenk arrived from Switzerland.

Dave Wenk

The farm today has dedicated 6 acres to cider specific varieties. In addition the family grow other fruit trees for the fresh fruit market. The farm itself is managed by David Wenk who begins the episode with telling the back story of how the family came to Adams County. You will also hear from his son Ben Wenk who established the cider brand Ploughman. Ben along with cidermaker Edwin Winzeler began selling their ciders in 2016.

Ben Wenk

Expect more

• More Single Varietal Ciders in the cue
• Tasting Room and Production Facility in Gardners, which is the same town that Big Hill Ciderworks in episode 289 is located. Both cideries are in Adams County which is a magnificent fruit belt with Apple Trees everywhere

Contact for Ploughman Cider

Website: https://www.ploughmancider.com

Address: 14 Lincoln Square Gettysburg, Pennsylvania 17325

Telephone: (717) 420-2582

Tip of the glass to the following sponsor for this episode 290

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Mentions in this Chat

• 281: Cider Fueled Road Trip to NY and PA
• ciderGoingUP Campaign page and Sponsors

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Cidermaker Curt Henry has been envisioning a future cidery in Acme Pennsylvania overlooking the lowland valley in southwestern portion of this commonwealth for years. In 2017 he had already planted a cider orchard on the site and this year the tasting room at Tattiebogle opened to the public. As Curt says, "This isn't my first rodeo (read: running a successful enterprise)" and it shows as this modern and traditional cidery continues to grow with big plans for expansion in the coming year.

Not everyone can embody the role of a Publican, because it requires not only taking ownership of a bar, but also offering up a welcoming site and actually being on site to greet patrons. Curt does it all!

• Modern and Traditional cider on tap and to go
• Indoor and outdoor seating
• A spectacular view
• A hitching post for your horse
• Pulbican Curt Henry

https://ciderchat.com/290tattiebogle/

Website: https://www.tattiebogleciderworks.com/

Address: 175 Ankney Hill Road Acme, Pennsylvania 15610

Telephone: 1-724-424-2437

Tip of the glass to the following sponsor for this episode 290

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Mentions in this Chat

• Kertelreiter Perry Pear Project
  • Listen to a chat with Kertelreiter maker Barry Masterson - 251: Irish Expat in Germany | Kertelreiter Cider
• Episode 15 Chris Jackson | FreedomFarmTV, Georgia
• Tom Burford Book on Apples recommendation for Kirk
  • Apples of North America: A Celebration of Exceptional Varieties

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Troy Lehman and Ben Kishbaugh are long time friends who originally met while working in the automotive industry. Years later they team up on a very new career path as cidermakers! Both men were not originally orchardist, but that didn't stop them from purchasing farms about a 1/2 mile apart (as the crow flies). Troy purchased his farm in 2010 and Ben's family moved into their farm/orchard in 2013.

Troy Lehman

] Ben Kishbaugh

Originally Troy and Ben had gotten into cider with the hope that the cider market was going to continue to grow and that it was a sure fire slam dunk. They then found out you have to be in this business for the long run verses short term. "Cider is the road less traveled", says Troy, "And that is the one I usually take."

• Cider market today
• Building a destination cidery vs growing out and expanding
• Favorite ciders
• Fermenting wild
• barrel aging

Big Hill bottles to go[

Big Hill tap list July 2021

Mentions in this Chat

• Welsh Mountain Cider | Wales
  • Follow this feed on Instagram @welshmountaincider
• 190: Cider Revitalizes a 1750 Colonial Orchard | MA
  • Watch a 2+minute fun video marketing this cidery with a bit of "wicked spoofing" on Bostonians

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Dan Schreffler had been home brewing and fermenting for many years before opening Spacetime Mead & Cider Works in 2018. He is a self proclaimed science nerd, which is part of the reason why he went with the name "Spacetime" (listen to the full story behind his fantastic branding in this episode).

After beating a cancer diagnosis in 2010, he began wondering what the new 2.0 model of Dan would be moving forward. He said there are 2 side effects from cancer. Patience and Perspective. He and his wife took a cross country trip and made many stops along the libations trail across the US and saw the happiness in people's eye who were making mead and said to himself,

"I can do this!"

Spacetime is located right on the main drag going through the town of Dunmore, Pennsylvania. It is a lovely shop that has an amazing amount of Cider, Mead and Wine available on site. You can place an order ahead for pick up or have the product shipped to your door. The branding at Spacetime Mead and Ciderworks is spot on! There are cardboard cut outs of a bee and an astrounaut just cuz that is fun! The countertop for check out is made out of an old solar panel. Buy a horn to drink your mead out of or grab some tasty local cheese to pair with your to-go bottles. The 14x14 foot space is inviting and fun to peruse. The location is so easy to get to off of the highway that it would be a shame not to stop in for a selfie next to the astronaunt. But I digress, because it is really all about the what is in the bottles that count.

Dan pouring Earthbound Pear. Note the Astronaut in the left corner.

The Earthbound Pear made out of local culinary pears is delicious and the 2020 bottle won a Bronze Medal at GLINTCAP in 2021. Dan bottles this still "pear cider" in aluminum bottles. Note that this is a still and if he had canned the Earthbound the lack of bubbles would have made the can squishy so in the bottle it went making for a fun presentation of a very tasty libation!

• Chaotic Good - a 2020 Pumpkin spiced cider (semi dry) featuring Northeastern Pennsylvania grown and fresh pressed apples 6.4% alcohol by volume (ABV) packaged in 750ml bottles

• Gravity is a Dry Cyser - honey apple wine made with apples from the local Ritters Cider Mill, local wildflower honey and some oak aging 13.7% ABV in 750ml bottles

• Lawful Good - Semi Dry Cider Apples from Pecora Farms in Sugarloaf PA. 2021 Bronze Great American Cider Competition. 6.3% ABV in 750ml bottles

• Apple-O Mission 1 - Semi Dry Made from a fresh press of 9 NY state cider apples. Coarse filtered (6.4%) ABV 750ml bottles

Learn how to Make Mead

Get a Spacetime Mead horn to go! Notice more space branding in the background

In this episode Dan explains how to make mead. If you are vacationing in the area, or on a work trip or are lucky enough to live close by why not sign up and learn how to make Mead from Dan himself! This mead making experience includes:

• Mead Making 101 • Mead Making Demonstration • Mead & Honey Tasting • Certificate Topics • What is Mead • Equipment Needs • Recipe Formulation • Fermentation • Stabilization • Clarification • Bottling • Enjoying

What I love about Spacetime Mead and Cider Works is that there is something for every drink fan. Yes, there is even select beers to go and delicious local cheeses that Dan curated specifically for his products and YOU!

Contact for Spacetime Mead & Cider Works

• Website: http://www.spacetimemeadworks.com/
• Address: 419 S Blakely St, Dunmore, PA 18512

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• 162: S. Martinelli & Company | 150 Years of Cider

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