We need to shift from systems of domination - rooted in control, hierarchy, and violence - to systems of partnership grounded in mutual respect, equity, and care for all life. Riane Eisler, a social systems scientist, futurist, cultural historian and author of The Chalice and the Blade and The Real Wealth of Nations, joins us. Highlights include:

• Riane's childhood experiences of being a Holocaust survivor and living as a refugee in Cuba, which informed her study of contrasting societal models of dominator versus partnership;

• How domination systems enforce violence through rigid rankings, while partnership systems reduce abuse through democratic structures;

• How gender inequality, pronatalism, and population growth are integral to domination systems, and why engaging in population denial perpetuates hierarchies of domination within the family and within politics;

• How partnership model values, such as caregiving and non-violence, were prevalent in pre-historic times and are more conducive to individual human happiness and flourishing;

• Why examining past societies' egalitarian models can help us redefine power structures and gender in order to reconstruct models that are relevant in today's societies.

See episode website for show notes, links, and transcript:

https://www.populationbalance.org/podcast/riane-eisler

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