This week on the Things Above podcast, James Bryan Smith has a conversation with his long time friend Juanita Rasmus. Juanita is a pastor, Spiritual Director, and contemplative with a passion for seeing people transform into being their best selves in our world. Juanita co-leads the St. John’s Church in Downtown Houston with her husband, Rudy.

In this episode, James and Juanita discuss her latest book Learning to Be: Finding Your Center after the Bottom Falls Out. The book focuses on a time in Juanita’s life that she calls “the crash” and what her counselor called experiencing a major depressive episode. In addition to exhaustion and depression, on the spiritual front she experienced a dark night of the soul. When everything in her life finally came to a stop, she found that she had to learn to be–with herself and with God–all over again.

James and Jaunita talk about how we all have times where we hit rock bottom, but it is from those experiences that we learn more about who we are as a person than we could ever imagine.

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