Dave chats with Roy Moran from New Generations in a cafe in Nairobi about the growing global impact of DMM.

• Global Growth: DMM is thriving in hundreds of places, proving it can happen anywhere.

• A Gospel of Life: Moving beyond forgiveness to a Gospel that generates life, helping people flourish and follow Jesus with allegiance and transformation.

• Adapting Locally: Western contexts need patience and relational connection, focusing on the 'why' behind DMM practices, not just importing methods (the 'what').

• Perseverance: Building trust and allowing small steps of obedience over time are essential to see breakthrough and multiplication.

Roy finishes by encouraging us in the West to focus on micro-movements and measuring their “R number” (like during COVID) to assess how effectively our disciples are multiplying. If we help give and focus on people with an infection rate above 1 enough time, we will see phenomenal impact.  

June 2025 Global Catalyst Camp (Nairobi): Learn more and register here.

In this episode, Dave speaks with Patrick, a leader overseeing over 90 churches across 16 districts in Sierra Leone, who shares insights on developing a strategy for abundant prayer. Patrick, a disciple of Shodankeh (featured in Engage Africa videos), highlights how prayer fuels discipleship and movement growth.

Building a Culture of Abundant Prayer

Patrick outlines practical steps for creating a prayer-focused movement:

1. Extend Daily Prayer Times: Begin with the time you are currently praying and increase gradually (e.g. 15-30 minutes).

2. Weekly Intercessors Prayer: Designate intercessors for every group to pray daily.

3. ‘Upper Room’ Prayer Days: Dedicate full days of uninterrupted waiting on God.

4. Weekly Prayer and Fasting: Set a consistent day (e.g., Wednesday) for fasting and prayer. Start small and grow to longer durations. 

“Jesus told us to survive without Him, and prayer is how we do it—we move the movement through abundant prayer.”

Key Elements of the Prayer Strategy

Start with intercessors Prayer: Every group has intercessors connected to a regional prayer team. 

Regional Prayer Hubs: Weekly gatherings for intercessors to pray together.

Monthly ‘Prayer Quakes’: Intense, three-day spiritual warfare prayers, inspired by Acts 4:31.

• Example: Patrick is calling a “Altars Against Altars” Prayer Quake in October, calling for personal and communal fire through the Holy Spirit.

Finally, Prayer Mobilisation: Calling and teaching those in the wider community (inside or outside the church) to gather and pray.

Prayers Focused on Movement Goals

1. Spiritual Breakthroughs: For those being discipled and their communities.

2. Open Hearts: Praying for access to the people and places God has prepared for the Gospel.

3. Transformation of minds: Asking God to empower us to see change and transformation through His Word and Spirit.

4. More Disciple-Making Leaders: Inviting others to witness and participate in God’s transformative work.

The Power of Modeling Prayer

Patrick and Dave emphasise teaching prayer through example, saying, “The heart of discipleship is to model prayer.”

Encouragement for the West

Patrick shares from 1 John 5:14-15, reminding listeners to have confidence in God hearing our prayers and answering us when we pray according to his will. We know DMM is God’s will. He explains how upper room prayer unlocks God’s fire and empowerment:

Luke 10:19: “Behold, I give unto you power…”

Luke 24:49 “Do not leave Jerusalem”

Acts 1:8 “…you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you.”

Final Words

Patrick challenges listeners:

“God never calls us without backing us up. His backing comes through prayer. Mobilise people, create prayer hubs, and make prayer attractive. When you depend on God in prayer, you will never be disappointed.”

This episode is a compelling reminder of the transformative power of prayer in disciple-making movements. Prayer is paramount, and prayer is powerful.

Dave is still in Kenya, continuing with a third discussion in this series with movement leaders gathering in Nairobi. This episode Dave speaks with Pyry Winter, a Finnish movement leader about his vision for DMM and the importance of reaching and forming community amongst affinity groups in our urban Western contexts. His insights from Europe resonate with challenges many of us face in places like Australia and New Zealand. 

• Pyry’s Story and DMM Journey

• Being a former Lutheran pastor, Pyry was inspired by leaders like David Broodryk (248 Training) and Bill Hodgson (My Friends Training).

• Pyry began discipling Christians in what he calls a church affinity group, encouraging them to grow connections with people from the harvest. He focused on equipping this group to make disciples through intentional training (My Friends) and rhythms.

“Because we have freely received, freely we want to give away.” (Referring to Jesus’ words as he sent out the twelve in Matthew 10:8)

• God has formed a vision for Finland in Pyry’s heart as he yearns to see his nation play a key role in fulfilling the Great Commission, contributing to God’s work across Europe.

• Challenges of our urban culture in the West

• Pyry addresses the reality of isolation, individualism, and the need for genuine community in our urban settings. We hear how we can’t presume that deep relationships already exist within affinity groups. There is a need to intentionally form what he calls ‘pre-church communities’ where people can belong and engage, even with their busy schedules. 

• Example of engaging angry young conspiracy theorists in Finland

• Pyry shares an example of one of his teams engaging angry young conspiracy theorist men in Finland. He highlights how they engaged this group of outcast, broken men by: 

Identifying their brokenness (loneliness and lack of purpose).

Recognising the lies they are believing as well as their strengths (truth-seeking).

Responding by building ‘pre-church communities’ (where these young men felt like they belonged and started to be transformed by Jesus). 

• Word of Encouragement

“Jesus is doing a new thing in the Western urban environment. He is creating new wineskins and building His church as we make disciples. A new day is coming for the West, for Finland, and Europe—for the glory of God!”

In this episode, Dave connects with Rich Robinson, leader of the Movement Leaders Collective, during his time in Nairobi, Kenya. Rich brings profound insights into pioneering leadership in Western contexts, emphasizing biblical faithfulness and cultural adaptability. His reflections inspire movement leaders to take risks and embrace new paradigms for making disciples in a rapidly changing world.

Key Themes & Takeaways:

• New Paradigms for Ekklesia (Church):

People often resist alternative forms of church that fit today’s mission context. Rich unpacks how these “vehicles” can serve the Kingdom.

• Insights from Rich’s Book, All Change:

Rooted in the Gospel of Luke, Rich outlines four phases of Jesus as a leader who pioneered a movement:

1. Dream (Luke 1–5): Envision a future guided by kingdom imagination.

2. Discover (Luke 6–11): Coaching small groups and building discipleship.

3. Design (Luke 12–22): Teaching Kingdom principles that can be contextualized.

4. Deploy (Luke 22–24): Mobilizing disciples for mission.

Rich’s book provides language for pioneering leaders to articulate the vision God has placed on their hearts.

👉 Explore free resources: allchangejourney.com/resources

👉 Get the book: Amazon Link

• Western Urban Challenges:

Rich explores how Western cities, with their fractured relational networks and competition for time, differ from rural contexts. He highlights how:

• Urban relationships are affinity-based, not geographically based.

• Missionaries need to find “people or places of peace” and experiment with connecting points (e.g. community needs, mental health, or physical care).

• Western urban contexts are complex, like a Rubik’s Cube, requiring us to stop, look, and listen to God’s work.

• Encouragement for us as leaders:

• Acts 4:13 reminds us that ordinary people, with the presence of Jesus, can be bold leaders.

• Leadership involves faithful obedience, learning from mistakes, and remaining passionate in discipleship.

• Find others to share the journey with—pray, encourage, and pioneer together.

Final Challenge to Listeners:

“Wherever God has placed you, be a disciple, be good news, and make disciples who make disciples. You’re not alone—find your community of pioneers and step boldly into the work of the Kingdom.”

📖 Scripture Highlight: Acts 4:13

🎙 Guest Links:

• Movement Leaders Collective

• Rich Robinson’s Book: All Change

Let’s journey together as we explore what it means to lead faithfully in complex, urban mission fields.

We reconnect with Jim Britts, author of 21 Days to Becoming a Disciple Maker, whilst both he and Dave gather in Africa with other DMM leaders. In this episode, we get an update from Jim from the States of some of the highlights happening around him with both his own community and collaborating with others. Highlights such as doing a 'push week'.

Push Week

A push week is when people come together from different places and focus on the harvest for a few days. Finding and then following up people of peace for the remainder of the week is what this 'push' is all about. The week can be covered in 'live prayer' through, for example, group messaging. This is a great way to get 'unstuck' for people who want to bring together a few others to engage a particular harvest field together.

Coaching - a key learn for Jim

Be in community for accountability, prayer and celebration.

Be a coach and get coached. Coaching can happen better in smaller groups where each person commits to focusing on a few others to coach each week. Coaching needs to include a deep relationship that asks 'fathering' questions which leads people into fruitfulness.

Remember as a coach, don't tell but lead people to the answer.

"Breakthrough happens through coaching - when someone helps you walk through doors that they have already walked through"

The phrase 'you are who you hang with' is true in DMM. So if we want to grow in disciple-making, we need to be in relationship with those who are behind, alongside and ahead of me.

We can be encouraged that movements are God's work that are happening through ordinary yet humble people just like us.

Word of encouragement

Choosing this journey of making disciple is choosing a journey of rejection. Discouragement can come with this. Jim then asked us this question: 'Will you do disciple making only if others are doing it with you or if God brings the fruit? Or are you doing disciple-making for the rest of your life? Instead of an 'only if', we need to have an 'even if' mentality. Even if our dreams aren't met or even if everyone else walks away.

Today we have the privilege of hearing from Tom and Sophie Butler who have intentionally placed themselves in the multicultural suburb of Auburn in West Sydney. They have an awesome vision of seeing multiplying hubs established all across the city. Be blessed as you hear their heart and stories of how God has called them into DMM and how lost people around them in Sydney are being impacted by Jesus.

Tom and Sophie’s story

Tom and Sophie have spent almost 5 years pursuing God’s call to see disciple making movements birthed in Sydney. They share how exposure to DMM as late teenagers influenced them to follow God’s lead and start Discovery Groups with old school friends and jump into Auburn for the last two years. Jesus’ focus on discipling the lost and his unconditional love has captured their hearts to fully embrace God's vision for the nations in and beyond Sydney. 

Stories from and a vision for Sydney

These guys have been intentionally reaching out amongst the nations in Auburn, seeing Discovery Bible Studies start in places like a local Mosque and seeing people’s lives transformed by Jesus. Tom shares a powerful story of seeing a young Nepalese man reconciled with his father after responding to one of Jesus’ parables.

Tom and Sophie are part of a team called ‘Fruitpickers’ who carry a vision of seeing catalytic teams in every urban centre of Sydney and across Australia. They dream of seeing Discovery Groups grow into simple and organic churches amongst every people and affinity group of the city and into the nations. 

Word of encouragement

Tom reflects on Jesus’ parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1-8):

“Movement will take sustained effort for a long time. Jesus is asking us, ‘Will I find faith on earth when I come?’ Will we maintain faith that a movement is not only possible but it is God’s will and desire?"

Sophie finishes the podcast by praying for us and says, “Don’t let the fear of making mistakes get in the way of living out the call of God on your life!” 

Before moving on from this podcast, allow Jesus to ask you, "Will I find faith on earth when I come?". Ask yourself, "Is fear of making mistakes creeping into my life as a disciple maker?". Pray for God to give you fresh faith to take risks in pursuing his heart for disciple making movements in your context.

In this podcast, we jump into a word of encouragement that Dave gave to the Thailand ’24 gathering with some of our international leaders. As a group, we’d just done a Discovery Bible Study (DBS) from the story of Jesus crossing the lake with his disciples, encountering and stilling a great storm and then encountering another storm of spiritual warfare when confronting the demoniac upon arrival in the Decapolis. We explore the themes of fear and faith from the reflections of this DBS found in Mark 4:35-5:41. 

The invitation to participate in the Great Commission

God is in partnership with us and the whole of creation. He calls us out to "go" and be apostolic. To be 'sent ones'. However we will always confront fear as we respond to his call to "go", just like in this story. 

Confronting fear

Like the people in the story, we will face different fears as we join in God’s work of kingdom advancement. We are called to respond with faith in Jesus who is power and authority. 

This story is a story of taking new ground for the kingdom of God. The storm that this story is talking about is one that comes from a response to God’s call to "go" and see the Kingdom of God advance in a new place. 

Faith from Spirit birthed vision in prayer 

‘Faith is about prayer and hearing the voice of the Spirit and then obedience to God.’

We are to listen to God’s kingdom advance plan in the place of prayer. All apostolic advancement begins in prayer. As we pray, God speaks to ‘go’. Just as God must have spoken to Jesus about going into this new gentile region, God always speaks to us about not settling for where we are right now. Vision birthed by God is always bigger than what we can handle. This is because it is God’s vision not ours.

Faith is risky

“Without the element of risk, there is no need for faith” (Hudson Taylor). 

As we step into the boat, fear always comes up against faith. Fear can cause us to withdraw. However apostolic advancement happens through our obedience and faith in Jesus, knowing his presence in ‘our boat’.

Faith in Jesus' authority

When God calls us into new territories, we will run into spiritual powers and forces of darkness like in this story. But can put our faith in Jesus’ presence that comes and surrounds us as we obediently go, responding to Jesus’ words in the Great Commissions…

“And surely I will am with you always” (Matthew 28:20)

“Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit”. (John 20:21-22)

Final words of encouragement

“Obey Jesus. Go where he is calling you. Let it be birthed by the Spirit. He will lead us into dark places. Don’t compare yourself to others. You have ground God has called you to. It will require you to have faith in Jesus when fear confronts you. Go, take the land God is calling you to. Expect more than what you have right now!”

We continue listening to part 2 of Rey’s case study from the Hong Kong team sharing at our Thailand 24 gathering. In this second episode Rey shares with us exciting stories of how multiplication is happening from Hong Kong back into his home country, all across the Philippines. 

How to be a disciple maker

Find a Person of Peace (Luke 10).

Bring these people into a DOBS (Discovery Obedience Bible Study). 

Baptise to be a disciple. 

Continue being part of a DOBS. 

Grow by being accountable in loving God 

Scriptures to help disciples be accountable and multiply

Matthew 28:19-20. The Great Commission keeps disciples focused on disciple making. 

Matthew 22:39-40. Love God (by worshipping, praying, serving, obeying and giving their ‘three Ts’: Time, Talents and Treasure). Love people (by their care, time and giving). 

Acts 1:8. We need the power of the Holy Spirit. 

2 Timothy 2:2. What we learn from someone, pass it onto others who pass it onto others. 

If see the above in disciples, they will start to multiply as start DOBS. 

The operating system of DMM

Rey shares how DMM will only work if it is fully embraced. He finishes by sharing what he calls the head, heart and hands operating system of DMM: 

Head: we lead people to learn and remember the Bible story. 

Heart: we lead people to love the Lord, not the leader. 

Hands: we lead people to obey God. 

After listening to Rey, ask yourself this question: "How can the Gospel spread and multiply in my context?”

*In the last episode, Rey calls a DBS a DOBS (Discovery Obedience Bible Study) since he says "there can only be movement if there is obedience".

We continue our Thailand 24 gathering series as we listen to case studies from around the world. In this episode, we listen to Rey from the Hong Kong team. In this first of two episodes, you’ll hear how God prepares a person. This includes the tests that happen in the life of a leader as they seek to embrace God’s vision for movements. 

The test of ‘no evidence’

We hear how God called Rey and his wife Ethel (both from the Philippines) to pioneer disciple making amongst filipino maids (foreign domestic workers) in Hong Kong. It began by being exposed to movements from around the world. However their church and community were not convinced about DMM with no obvious initial results. 

DOBS in the park

After stepping out of traditional church leadership, Rey shares how God said to him, “Work for me, don’t work for money.” After praying and fasting, God told Rey, “If you want a church to do DMM with in Hong Kong, then why don’t you start one?”. This led to Rey starting a new ‘DOBS’ in a park. Rey calls DBS (Discovery Bible Study) a ‘DOBS’ with the O standing for Obedience. 

“We cannot have DMM without obedience.”

Ray’s disciple making methods:

POP (People of People) hunting at least once a week (based on Luke 10). 

DOBS as the DMM training. 

Measure by baptisms: Rey’s first baptism happened at the end of the the first month of doing DOBS in the park. (Since July 2022, his team’s goal is to see baptisms by the end of each month with now 82 people being baptised.)

4 hubs or communities have now been established across Hong Kong for training, fellowship, prayer and 'disciple worship celebrations'. (Rey uses DOBS as the way of teaching and training.)

Home groups are also starting in people’s homes (including children participating in DOBS).

Ray’s vision

"When foreign domestic workers in Hong Kong retire, everyone can bring DMM home."

Rey and his team tells them, “First you are a missionary to Hong Kong. Then if you train well and master the DBS and DMM principles, you can go back and make disciples when you go home. And we will support you!”

God’s challenge to us, the listener

There are many integrity tests God leads us through as he calls us. As you listen to this podcast, ask yourself this question: What’s God’s challenge to you as you hear Rey’s story?

In this episode, you will hear a particular case study coming out of South Asia as one of the movement leaders to shares with us. 

Bible based

The podcast begins by encouraging us to keep things simple. Just share the Word and allow the Holy Spirit to help us apply the Bible in our lives. If we keep things simple, multiplication of disciples, leaders and churches can happen. 

Authority releasing

Leaders in DMM are intentional about seeking to make another leader. Ministry without leadership cannot stand. Jesus himself created leaders that multiplied. Multiplying church happens on the back of multiplying ordinary disciples and leaders. 

Start with being a disciple

There is no hierarchy in DMM, at the core, everyone is a disciple. 

“If you are a good disciple, you are a good leader. If you are a good leader, you are a good pastor. If you are not a disciple, how can you be a good pastor and leader?”

Case Study

One of his leaders shares with us how he started with 12 traditional house groups but he soon caught the vision of DMM and started to implement some of the DNA. 

“I used to think, 'I am the boss'. Now I know that God is pleased with our obedience not our knowledge. These days I am giving authority to local leaders and churches are multiplying as a result! Today we have 126 house groups with 70 leaders across 70 villages. Our vision is to reach all 700 villages in our district which consists of 1.6 million people.” 

DMM methodology in India

Prayer

Sending out ordinary people 

Adopting local culture 

Empowering local leaders 

Releasing authority to them 

Multiply 

He shares how his teams create short and long term Discovery Bible Study stories. They coach their leaders through their challenges after six months of DMM training. 

“Just like human children, our leaders need to learn to eat by themselves after six months.” 

Pray for South Asia

The podcast finishes by urging us to pray:

"We have 1.4 billion people. Official statistics say that 3% are Christian however we believe that it is more like 6%. Please keep praying for us!"