Cooper & Cary have words with Steve Jeffery about postmillennialism, and why it matters. How did a Christian British man come to be so optimistic about the future of the world? Also, some differences between US and UK churches, why the wise men followed the star, the dating of the New Testament and how we don’t appreciate the significance of the Temple. The Word of the Podcast is: Preterism.

Go and watch a longer chat on YouTube here.

Pierced for Our Transgressions by Steve Jeffery and some other dudes.

If you're £35 interested, you can get He Shall Have Dominion: A Postmillennial Eschatology by Kenneth L Gentry

Cover Art: Salisbury Cathedral From the East by Anthony McCallum

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Cooper and Cary have words about whether or not believers will receive different degrees of "reward" in the new creation.

9Marks Says No.
Desiring God (And Jonathan Edwards) Say Yes.
The Gospel Coalition Says Mmmmaybe.

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Cooper and Cary have words with Randy Newman. Yeah, that Randy Newman that we spoke to in Episode 63, author of one of Cary's fave books, Questioning Evangelism. And now author of a new book about Evangelism and CS Lewis. As usual, Randy is great fun. And his book, Mere Evangelism, is here.

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Cooper and Cary Have Merch - Head on over to the store for postcards, stickers, mugs, caps and comically priced tote bag. But hey, don't you want a #totesdeprav tote bag? Store here

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Barry and James have words with author / historian / definitely NOT apologist John Dickson (@johnpauldickson), whose new book is all about the very checkered history of the Church. Does religion poison everything, as Christopher Hitchens maintained? What are we to make of the Crusades, for example?

• Bullies & Saints by John Dickson
• Undeceptions (John's podcast)

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Cooper and Cary have words about what we can learn from The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill podcast from Christianity Today and what we're hearing on  The Roys Report. The word of the day is 'arrant'.

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Barry and James have words with the excellent Rhys Laverty about creationism: young earth, old earth, and points in between. What are the non-negotiables where it comes to interpreting Genesis? Is it important to believe that the days described in Genesis chapter 1 are literal 24 hour days? Does it matter whether or not Adam was a literal person? And what does "ineffable" even mean?

• The Davenant Institute 
• Rhys' Ad Fontes podcast
• Rhys' For Now We See podcast
• Is Genesis History? (Documentary)

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Cooper and Cary have words about how we try to avoid sanctification and do Christian things in order to avoid it or achieve it - and whether Cooper has been wasting his life aiding and abetting evangelism.

The book referred to is:
Dynamics of Spiritual Life: An Evangelical Theology of Renewal by Richard Lovelace

Barry guests on his pastor’s podcast to talk about the chapter of Lovelace’s book called  “The Sanctification Gap“.

We refer to these episodes:
Cooper and Cary Episode 42 We Are the Birds (Join Patreon for access)
Cooper and Cary Episode 63 Unlikely Converts with Randy Newman  (Join Patreon for access)

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Cooper and Cary have words with Ben Clube about artificial intelligence, the gulf between humans and machines, and how technology changes us. He's thought a lot about tech, and not just as a way of justifying spending months playing Doom, Quake or Final Fantasy VI. Also, Cary mentions That Hideous Strength. Again.

• Ben’s YouTube channel
• The Singularity Is Near by Ray Kurtzweil
• Homo Deus by Yuval Harari
• 2084 by John Lennox
• 12 Ways Your Phone Is Changing You by Tony Reinke

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Cooper puts Cary on the spot about his new book, The Gospel According To A Sitcom Writer in which Cary reads between the lines, fabricates some parables and has a proper go at Pilgrim's Progress.

To order the book, go to jamescary.co.uk

The book about John's Gospel in which Jesus is like the Scarlet Pimpernel that Cary flounders around trying to remember is John's Gospel (New Testament Readings) by Revd Dr Mark W G Stibbe

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Cooper and Cary have words with author and historian Dr Stephen Nichols about Jonathan and Sarah Edwards, Martin and Katie Luther, and the subject of his brand new biography, Dr RC Sproul.

• Jesus: Made In America by Stephen Nichols
• Jonathan Edwards: A Guided Tour Of His Life And Thought by Stephen Nichols
• Marriage to a Difficult Man: The Uncommon Union of Jonathan & Sarah Edwards by Elisabeth Dodds
• R. C. Sproul: A Life by Stephen Nichols

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