In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, Daniella Mestyanek Young (aka Knitting Cult Lady) speaks with Chicago educator and social work student Jamal Bruce about his experiences teaching, navigating race and identity, and how her memoir Uncultured influenced his career pivot from education to social work. Their conversation explores how America's educational and social systems function as cult-like institutions that condition compliance, suppress individuality, and reflect deeper cultural hierarchies. Together, they draw parallels between trauma survival, masking behaviors, racial inequity, and the ways storytelling can challenge systemic norms. They also discuss how white privilege manifests in subtle daily ways, the importance of listening across difference, and the transformative power of reading beyond one's own identity.

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Key Takeaways:

• Jamal Bruce, a Black high school teacher in Chicago, found Uncultured profoundly validating and inspiring, prompting his shift toward social work.

• Daniella and Jamal discuss how schools often mirror cult-like systems that demand conformity and suppress individuality.

• Both highlight how trauma survivors often overachieve as a coping mechanism—seeking safety in perfection and compliance.

• Educators of color are more likely to "see" marginalized students and advocate for them because of shared systemic experiences.

• The U.S. educational model has roots in Puritan indoctrination and continues to prioritize obedience over humanity.

• White privilege shows up in small, everyday ways—like who gets questioned, believed, or celebrated for multilingualism.

• The conversation emphasizes the need to believe marginalized voices rather than debate their experiences.

• Daniella reflects on how publishing, like education, gatekeeps whose stories are told and deemed "marketable."

• Both guests stress reading broadly and engaging with diverse perspectives as a way to dismantle bias and foster empathy.

• Uncultured demonstrates how personal trauma can illuminate collective social conditioning, inviting broader discussions of power, race, and belonging.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Uncultured Perspectives 02:41 The Role of Educators in Social Change 05:26 Personal Stories of Advocacy and Support 08:19 The Cult-like Nature of Education 11:20 Navigating Identity and Trauma in Education 14:10 The Intersection of Race and Education 16:44 The Impact of Trauma on Academic Performance 19:35 The Complexity of Privilege and Identity 22:33 The Need for Authenticity in Education 25:27 Conclusion: Shared Experiences and Collective Growth 29:03 Finding Your Audience in Storytelling 30:25 Relating Through Shared Emotions 32:33 Understanding Different Perspectives 34:53 The Importance of Believing Experiences 37:32 Recognizing Privilege in Society 40:32 Bilingualism and Perceptions of Intelligence 44:06 Challenging Gender and Racial Stereotypes 48:18 The Journey of Deconstructing Worldviews 51:06 The Power of Diverse Narratives

Produced by Haley Phillips, Lizy Freudmann, and Meghan Picmann