Katie turns to veteran New York Times correspondent David Sanger to help make sense of a whirlwind few weeks in national security. Sanger explains why President Trump is using the U.S. military in ways he’s never seen in the five presidencies he’s covered—from sinking more than 20 boats in the Caribbean to deploying the National Guard in cities without clear emergencies. Katie presses him on the unanswered questions around those strikes, including a reported second hit on a burning boat and why the administration won’t release basic information.They also dig into the leaked Russia-Ukraine peace plan and the questions raised about how closely it aligns with Kremlin preferences. And as they discuss the tragic killing of the National Guard member in D.C., Sanger makes the case for why America still owes its Afghan allies protection—now more than ever.

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