How a controversial worship leader’s pandemic events, a deeper understanding of Christian discipleship, and Jesus' teachings on money collide in this engaging and raw episode of Voxology. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford kick off 2021 with a candid, convicted conversation on the damaging witness of anti-lockdown worship gatherings, the real meaning of persecution, and why our cultural interpretations of worship and possessions fall short of Jesus’ call to discipleship.

Starting with an impassioned take on Sean Feucht’s pandemic evangelism concerts and culminating in a rich, challenging study of Matthew 6 and Luke 14, this episode grapples with what it truly means to surrender everything and follow Jesus. Whether you’re wrestling with cultural Christianity, the church's public image, or personal attachment to material things, this episode offers a thought-provoking roadmap back to the heart of the gospel—one shaped by neighborly love, spiritual sobriety, and radical generosity.

Key Takeaways: • A Compromised Witness – Why public worship protests during a pandemic may be harming, not advancing, the name and mission of Jesus. • The Real Meaning of Persecution – Unpacking the stark difference between real persecution and Western inconveniences masked as spiritual warfare. • Jesus vs. Mammon – A deep exploration of Matthew 6 and the rival spiritual power behind money, wealth, and ownership. • "Mine" as a Discipleship Obstacle – How the act of constantly declaring possession over things robs us of the capacity to fully follow Jesus. • Spiritual Minimalism – Understanding the spiritual weight of "owning" and how Jesus invites us to a life of open-handed generosity and freedom.

Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 6:19-24 – Jesus' teaching on treasures, the eye, and serving God over money. • Luke 14:33 – “Unless you give up everything you have…”—a deeper look into Jesus’ demand for discipleship. • The Sermon on the Mount series on Voxology (prior episodes recommended for full context). • Dallas Willard’s Concept of Renovation of the Heart – Counter-programming against cultural formation. • Francis Chan, Shane Claiborne, and Early Church Practices – Examples of alternative Christian witness and community ethic.

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