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Ep. 35 (Part 2 of 2) | Frederik Coene, a European Union diplomat stationed in Kyiv and world authority on Russia and Eastern Europe, describes the current situation in Ukraine—"a cocktail of emotions"—and outlines what it would take for us to find a true solution to the conflict and create sustainable peace. Frederik brings the multiple perspectives of Integral theory to bear: he discusses how developmental stages play into the ways Russians and Ukrainians are thinking, acting, and reacting, and emphasizes the need to get beyond black and white thinking, foster compassion, and take responsibility for our thoughts and our actions. How do we cultivate the willingness to understand each other, to have a dialogue? Because as Frederik says, “the war may be fought on the battlefield, but peace is only going to come through dialogue.”

The fruits of Frederik’s own personal transformative practice and understanding of the Enneagram and Spiral Dynamics flow into his work as a diplomat/bureaucrat, pointing the way towards change. Besides effectively deepening our understanding of what’s going on in Ukraine and Russia now, this talk is a real inspiration for those interested in weaving together personal growth, professional responsibility, and dedication to service. A humble, open, and wise transmission. Recorded on June 29, 2022.

“If we want to find a true solution, sustainable and lasting peace…we can no longer be guided by our heads alone. We have to include the heart.”

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• How the Enneagram fosters self-transformation, awareness of your own reactivity, and gets you out of black and white thinking (01:02)
• If we are skilled at taking multiple perspectives into account, how do we narrow it down and make a good judgment? (05:50)
• Practical wisdom: how do we skillfully and benevolently respond in the world? (07:14)
• And how this works in Ukraine now; when to take responsibility for actions and break the rules (09:01)
• Bureaucracy and its purpose; and the purpose of the Enneagram (12:28)
• Back to the situation in Ukraine now: a cocktail of emotions (16:20)
• Frederik’s personal self-transformation in the last 7 years with Ukraine as a catalyst (24:51)
• We need to merge head and heart if we want to find a sustainable peace (27:16)
• How do we cultivate the willingness to understand each other, to have a dialogue? (29:47) 
• Roger reads aloud excerpts from Frederik’s Facebook postings addressed to Russians and to Ukrainians (32:59)
• The deep wisdom questions: what am I called to do? How can I make myself a more effective instrument of service? (36:10)

• Frederik Coene, The Caucasus - An Introduction*
• Frederik Coene, Euro-Atlantic Discourse in Georgia*
• YouTube 1420, live street interviews
• Clare Graves, adult developmental stages psychologist foundational to Spiral Dynamics
• Don Beck & Christopher Cowan, Spiral Dynamics*
• Enneagram, a model of the human psyche taught as a typology of nine interconnected personality types
• Don Riso & Russ Hudson, The Wisdom of the Enneagram*
• Richard Rohr & Andreas Ebert, The Enneagram: A Christian Perspective*
• iAwake’s Funnel to Help, Heal, and Support the Ukrainian People

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Dr. Frederik Coene is an EU diplomat based in Ukraine and heads the team in charge of all EU-funded development programmes in the country. His previous assignments were in Tajikistan, Georgia, and Belarus, and prior to that he worked for humanitarian NGOs in Chechnya and Abkhazia. He holds an MA in economics, an MA in Caucasian and Central Asian Studies, and a PhD in Political Science. In his free time, he works on integrating stages of development with the Enneagram and Spiral Dynamics into a single framework using ancient Vedic wisdom on transpersonal development. He also conducts research and lectures on the topic of human sexuality and the Enneagram/Spiral Dynamics.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 34 (Part 1 of 2) | Frederik Coene, a European Union diplomat stationed in Kyiv and world authority on Russia and Eastern Europe, describes the current situation in Ukraine—"a cocktail of emotions"—and outlines what it would take for us to find a true solution to the conflict and create sustainable peace. Frederik brings the multiple perspectives of Integral theory to bear: he discusses how developmental stages play into the ways Russians and Ukrainians are thinking, acting, and reacting, and emphasizes the need to get beyond black and white thinking, foster compassion, and take responsibility for our thoughts and our actions. How do we cultivate the willingness to understand each other, to have a dialogue? Because as Frederik says, “the war may be fought on the battlefield, but peace is only going to come through dialogue.”

The fruits of Frederik’s own personal transformative practice and understanding of the Enneagram and Spiral Dynamics flow into his work as a diplomat/bureaucrat, pointing the way towards change. Besides effectively deepening our understanding of what’s going on in Ukraine and Russia now, this talk is a real inspiration for those interested in weaving together personal growth, professional responsibility, and dedication to service. A humble, open, and wise transmission. Recorded on June 29, 2022.

“If we want to find a true solution, sustainable and lasting peace…we can no longer be guided by our heads alone. We have to include the heart.”

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• Introducing Dr. Frederik Coene, world authority with multiple perspectives on Russia and Eastern Europe (01:52)
• Life in Ukraine right now: no safe place, where violence might occur is completely unpredictable (04:20)
• How the Russians use fear to control people (07:34)
• Living in survival mode we fall into black and white thinking and how that affects our decision making (08:28)
• What makes the war in Ukraine distinctive is that it affects people around the globe: inflation, food scarcity, resources (12:19)
• What is not being seen? Both the complexity of the Ukrainian side and the complexity of the Russian side (14:16)
• Looking at the Russian perspective with a degree of empathy is necessary for a lasting, sustainable solution (16:47)
• What are they thinking in Russia? (20:00)
• The spiritual perspective: everyone has a soul, even Putin. Can we hold compassion for everyone (even Putin)? (26:53)
• Gaining inner strength from a daily gratitude practice; no matter how horrible the war and how great the suffering (33:19)
• Bureaucracy and Spiral Dynamics’ levels of development (37:45)
• Raising consciousness in the blue bureaucracy and the experience of teaching the Enneagram to bureaucrat colleagues (39:36)

• Frederik Coene, The Caucasus - An Introduction*
• Frederik Coene, Euro-Atlantic Discourse in Georgia*
• YouTube 1420, live street interviews
• Clare Graves, adult developmental stages psychologist foundational to Spiral Dynamics
• Don Beck & Christopher Cowan, Spiral Dynamics*
• Enneagram, a model of the human psyche taught as a typology of nine interconnected personality types
• Don Riso & Russ Hudson, The Wisdom of the Enneagram*
• Richard Rohr & Andreas Ebert, The Enneagram: A Christian Perspective*
• iAwake’s Funnel to Help, Heal, and Support the Ukrainian People

* As an Amazon Associate, Deep Transformation earns from qualifying purchases.

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Dr. Frederik Coene is an EU diplomat based in Ukraine and heads the team in charge of all EU-funded development programmes in the country. His previous assignments were in Tajikistan, Georgia, and Belarus, and prior to that he worked for humanitarian NGOs in Chechnya and Abkhazia. He holds an MA in economics, an MA in Caucasian and Central Asian Studies, and a PhD in Political Science. In his free time, he works on integrating stages of development with the Enneagram and Spiral Dynamics into a single framework using ancient Vedic wisdom on transpersonal development. He also conducts research and lectures on the topic of human sexuality and the Enneagram/Spiral Dynamics.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 33 | Zvi Ish-Shalom is a professor of Jewish mysticism, an author, an ordained rabbi, and the guiding light of Kedumah, a teaching out of time and space, whose primary calling is to translate wisdom from the primordial ground of being into a discernible wisdom stream. In this remarkable conversation, Zvi describes how he found ways to map and interpret his own profound mystical experiences, how the teachings arise from the ground of being, about how they might become accessible to us all, regardless of religion or spiritual tradition, and how they are especially relevant for young people today, seeking to find a structure for their spiritual journey. His familiarity with the realm of mystical experience is extremely engaging—he tells of discovering the vow taken by our soul before we were born and dropping the barriers between us and God, surrendering to the divine. Roger Walsh found Zvi’s book The Kedumah Experience “the most profound spiritual text he’s ever read in the Jewish tradition,” and listeners will almost certainly be excited to read Zvi’s latest book, published since the recording of this podcast, The Path of Primordial Light: Ancient Wisdom for the Here and Now.  Recorded at the Science & Nonduality Conference, October 2019, with Dr. Roger Walsh, John Dupuy, and Douglas Prater.

“Being willing to lose everything for truth...when we orient that way, the most profound revelations and depths occur.”

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

Note: This podcast was recorded live and includes, at times, some extraneous noises in the background. Please excuse them -- we felt the conversation was very valuable and well worth sharing with our audience. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

• Roger’s discovery of Zvi Ish-Shalom’s book while touring Israel: the most profound spiritual text he’d ever read in the Jewish tradition (02:00)
• The gnostic intermediary: how Zvi revives the culture, infusing a fresh understanding of the Jewish mystical tradition (04:43)
• Zvi’s personal story, starting with deep states of connection praying in the synagogue in Brooklyn (07:40)
• How Zvi found ways to map and interpret his profound mystical experiences, establishing cause and effect (13:45)
• Remembering one’s life purpose, the vow taken by your soul before embodiment (17:47)
• Zvi’s Kedumah experience: the concept of primordial Torah, or the ground of our being, and how the teaching arises (19:57)
• How to transmit the Kedumah teachings to the secular world? (22:32)
• The radical experiential perspective in which the Kedumah is rooted is what makes it so timely for us today (28:17)
• Revivifying the Jewish lineage wisdom stream through the lens of Kedumah: bringing in living expressions of the mystery (31:26)
• The way in which a profound analytical study of the texts creates an opening and becomes a process of illumination, deepening, and distilling truth in an ever more discriminating way (37:35) 
• What the new Kedumah paradigm offers young people who are searching for structure for their spiritual journey  (43:27)
• The practice of dialectical inquiry (havruta) to discover the truth of reality embedded inside the texts and how to reveal it (48:20)
• Comparing the Torah scroll to the human being: working to unpack the truth of the human experience (51:06)
• Greek philosophy was used as a practice to investigate human life, metaphysics, and open to the transcendent as well (53:15)
• Socrates and the fundamental wisdom of seeking truth for its own sake (56:37)
• How does Zvi teach contemplative prayer and meditation? Building the embodied capacity for integration and allowing ourselves to surrender to the divine (59:07)
• Zvi’s “journey of silence” (01:03:03)

• Zvi’s website: Primordialight (formerly Kedumah.org)
• Zvi Ish-Shalom, The Path of Primordial Light: Ancient Wisdom for the Here and Now*
• Zvi Ish-Shalom, The Kedumah Experience: The Primordial Torah*
• Zvi Ish-Shalom, Sleep, Death, and Rebirth: Mystical Practices of Lurianic Kabbalah*
• Roger Walsh, The Transmission of Wisdom: The Task of Gnostic Intermediaries
• Hasidic philosophy: Jewish law + Jewish legend + the Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) 
• The Talmud, central text of Rabbinic Judaism
• Torah study, the study of Judaism’s religious texts
• Kabbalistic texts, originally part of an ancient, mystical, oral tradition
• Havruta, traditional Rabbinic approach to Talmudic study
• The Apology of Socrates by Plato, Socrates, Who Was Socrates Really?

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Zvi Ish-Shalom, Ph.D., is core faculty at Naropa University, and is the guiding teacher of Kedumah, the Primordial Transmissions, and the Soulship. Zvi is the author of The Kedumah Experience: The Primordial Torah; Sleep, Death, and Rebirth: Mystical Practices of Lurianic Kabbalah; and most recently The Path of Primordial Light: Ancient Wisdom for the Here and Now.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 32 (Part 2 of 2) | Socio-psychotherapist and political consultant Indra Adnan brings forth a compelling, fresh, and powerfully practical alternative vision for our politics and our world, based on bringing people and communities together in relationship to effect real planetary transformation. Indra states that the solutions to our problems exist; we just need to be able to access them, and it is at the cosmo-local community agency networks (CANs) level that we can develop responses to current crises like climate and social justice most effectively. Indra discusses how the internet has dissolved the line between the private and the public space, especially for women and the underprivileged, and asks us to imagine what the public space would look like if all our voices were heard. Rather than focusing on our disconnectedness, Indra suggests we focus on the miracle of our connectedness in this moment and drop the dividing lines that keep us stuck in disadvantageous, unempowered lives. In this conversation, the possibilities of putting Indra’s alternative vision into effect are palpable—this is a remarkable reimagining of how things could be where political agency works from the bottom up to effect systemic transformation for the benefit of all. Recorded May 18, 2022.

“Let’s drop the boundaries that we have created for ourselves! Let’s drop the things that divide us from others.”

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• Women going into politics have been obliged to be better men than men (01:15)
• Indra most inspired by social workers’ (mostly women) intuitive understanding of people’s real needs and how they unreservedly give themselves to the task of problem solving (02:35)
• The Big Society (community focused) program in British politics (04:10)
• What is soft power? The power of narrative or storytelling to generate attraction and therefore relationship, as in the power of the American dream to attract relationship from all over the world (05:58)
• What is the story we’re telling about our reality? (10:60)
• The ladder nature of Integral stages of development may be trapping us in old language about what development looks like (11:40)
• When the women in the London Integral circle walked away, and the need to apply the Integral model rather than simply study it and talk about it (12:12)
• The radical equality of everyone and formative agency: different agencies need to be held in a fluid state rather than in ladder format (16:57)
• Does Integral need to evolve to serve a wider landscape? (19:47)
• What is the design of the public space that could honor the full human being, where all the different voices would be heard? (24:22)
• The axis of a new politics: back to the I, the we, the world; at the heart of the vision is a new way of looking at who we are (26:34)
• The internet, the fractal emergence of a new vision holding our creative potential and political agency, and  the soft power of how we tell the story (29:52)
• What gives Indra hope? The miracle of connectedness in this moment (32:37)
• The power of paying attention to the interaction in this particular moment: that is the life changing, world changing energy that we are looking for and that we need (36:15)

• Indra Adnan and Pat Kane, Re-imagining Social Work
• British politician David Cameron, author of For the Record, and political agency in the Big Society program
• Joseph Nye, Head of Kennedy School of Government, advisor to Bill Clinton, Understanding Soft Power
• Robert Kegan, The Discerning Heart: The Developmental Psychology of Robert Kegan*
• Ken Wilber’s stages of development
• Terry Patten, A New Republic of the Heart: An Ethos for Revolutionaries*
• Integral European Conference
• Integral leaders Diane Hamilton, Terry Patten, Steve McIntosh 
• Indra Adnan, The Politics of Waking Up: Power and Possibility in the Fractal Age*
• Indra Adnan, founder of The Alternative Global, a socio-political platform serving systemic transformation

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Indra Adnan is founder and co-initiator of The Alternative Global, a socio-political platform serving systemic transformation. AltGlobal publishes a Daily Alternative news blog, develops cosmo-local agency networks (CANs) and connects planetary regeneration projects. Indra is concurrently a socio-psychotherapist, writer, and consultant on soft power. Clients have included the Danish and Brazilian governments, World Economic Forum, and NATO. Her book The Politics of Waking Up: Power and Possibility in the Fractal Age was a Times Literary Supplement Book of the Year in 2021.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 31 (Part 1 of 2) | Socio-psychotherapist and political consultant Indra Adnan brings forth a compelling, fresh, and powerfully practical alternative vision for our politics and our world, based on bringing people and communities together in relationship to effect real planetary transformation. Indra states that the solutions to our problems exist; we just need to be able to access them, and it is at the cosmo-local community agency networks (CANs) level that we can develop responses to current crises like climate and social justice most effectively. Indra discusses how the internet has dissolved the line between the private and the public space, especially for women and the underprivileged, and asks us to imagine what the public space would look like if all our voices were heard. Rather than focusing on our disconnectedness, Indra suggests we focus on the miracle of our connectedness in this moment and drop the dividing lines that keep us stuck in disadvantageous, unempowered lives. In this conversation, the possibilities of putting Indra’s alternative vision into effect are palpable—this is a remarkable reimagining of how things could be where political agency works from the bottom up to effect systemic transformation for the benefit of all. Recorded May 18, 2022.

“Let’s drop the boundaries that we have created for ourselves! Let’s drop the things that divide us from others.”

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• Introducing Indra Adnan: political innovator, socio-psychotherapist, writer, and consultant on “soft power” to clients such as NATO, the World Economic Forum, and the Brazilian and Danish governments, initiator of an alternative vision for creating systemic transformation (01:16)
• How Indra’s contemplative practice began, creating her own spiritual beliefs, and asking, Where is my power? What control do I have over my life? (4:11)
• Meeting Nichiren Buddhism in Indonesia (06:49)
• The phenomenon of empowerment in action: Look again. Re-imagine. Something else is possible. (07:57)
• What is it we are settling for now? Crises on every side and dependency on politicians in a two-party, competitive system, where the two parties are invested in each other’s failure (11:45)
• The solutions to our problems are already available (so why do we not have access to them?), and how community agency networks (CANs) are taking shape as responses to climate and social justice crises (13:38)
• Cosmo-local CANs can be the new system, providing a new way for the people’s voice to hear itself and be heard (15:20)
• Concept of the 3 realms: the I, the We, and the World—we can all be all 3 of these things, which is essential to understanding how we can have political agency by taking down the barriers between these 3 ways of being (16:13)
• The politics of waking up: there is waking up to the oneness, to engi, but in her book, Indra is talking about a different waking up: waking up to our capacity for connecting, for mobilizing, #softpower (18:33)
• The new space created by the internet and modern technology has created a radical shift of agency, the woke phenomenon (21:42)
• The way women see the possibilities and the future is becoming more and more distinct, i.e. the relational way of being women have always depended on is finding its way into the public space, into community, into politics (23:34)
• How Roger sees the possibilities of this age: a collaborative birthing that will turn out as a function of how we approach it (31:56)
• What can men do? Men have to make space for women to show up. This can mean giving up their place, their seat, their moment in the spotlight (34:06)
• It may be time for men to step into the yin and look at themselves and their relations (37:18)

• Indra Adnan, The Politics of Waking Up: Power and Possibility in the Fractal Age*
• Indra Adnan, founder of The Alternative Global, a socio-political platform serving systemic transformation
• Nichiren Buddhism
• What is cosmo-localism?
• Engi, or Pratītyasamutpāda in Sanskrit
• Karen O’Brien, You Matter More Than You Think: Quantum Social Change for a Thriving World*
• Marilyn French, Beyond Power: On Women, Men and Morals*

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Indra Adnan is founder and co-initiator of The Alternative Global, a socio-political platform serving systemic transformation. AltGlobal publishes a Daily Alternative news blog, develops cosmo-local agency networks (CANs) and connects planetary regeneration projects. Indra is concurrently a socio-psychotherapist, writer, and consultant on soft power. Clients have included the Danish and Brazilian governments, World Economic Forum, and NATO. Her book The Politics of Waking Up: Power and Possibility in the Fractal Age was a Times Literary Supplement Book of the Year in 2021.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 30 (Part 2 of 2) | Rebel Wisdom co-founder Alexander Beiner has his finger on the cultural pulse of our times. Here he explores key challenges we face as a global community: sensemaking and truth finding in a culture that has lost its coherence as well as its sense of the divine, and what role psychedelics might play both therapeutically and spiritually in healing our culture. He discusses the need to go beyond the intellectual to find clarity and coherence, using embodied practices like meditation and inquiry, and explains how modalities such as these are an essential container for therapeutic psychedelic experiences. What if deep, spiritual, psychotherapeutic group processes were to inform political decision making? Are commodification and economics going to subvert the benefits of the psychedelic renaissance? Let’s start asking, what do we want these substances to bring to the culture, and who has the authority to decide what psychedelics are used for? Ali brings keen insight and the wisdom of a dedicated contemplative to asking the important questions and offering up some answers as well. Recorded September 27, 2021.

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• The developmental process involved with engaging with the contemplative world (01:30)
• The psychedelic renaissance and learning how best to use psychedelic substances as part of our spiritual practices (02:24)
• Legalizing MDMA (03:46)
• Bringing psychedelics into mainstream culture: the biomedical route (04:23) 
• The need to consciously build a psychedelic metaculture and Ali’s Psychedelic Value Survey (05:52)
• Are economics going to subvert the benefits of the psychedelic reemergence? (07:59) 
• We need to start asking, what do we want these substances to bring to the culture and who has the authority to decide what psychedelics are for? (10:59) 
• Are churches embracing the use of psychedelics? (13:15)
• Religious, spiritual, and therapeutic uses (14:50) 
• Karma yoga: the interface between the contemplative and the cultural, the spiritual and the political (16:25)
• The current meaning crisis, the lack of cultural coherence, and the need to commit to something higher (19:12)
• What’s missing culturally right now is a sense of divinity and the ability to surrender (20:34)
• The global coordination issue (24:14)
• The crucial motive of self-transcendence (Abraham Maslow), meta motives and meta pathologies (25:02)
• The crisis of sense making and understanding that making sense doesn’t happen only through thought, it’s an embodied process (29:09)
• Fostering complexity tolerance and resilience in not knowing (32:02)
• What gives Alexander hope? The idea that humanity is at its best under pressure (34:11)

• Ram Dass, Be Here Now
• Rick Doblin, Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies
• Santo Daime tradition
• Burning Man annual event in Black Rock City, Nevada
• Alexander Beiner/Rebel Wisdom film, The Rise of Psychedelic Capitalism 
• Norman Spinrad, 1970s science fiction writer, The Last Hurrah of the Golden Horde*, review
• North Star Ethics Pledge, a first step in the demanding work of shaping the psychedelic industry around psychedelic wisdom
• Karma yoga, one of 4 classic spiritual paths in Hinduism
• Ranulph Fiennes, British explorer, writer, and poet, the world’s greatest living explorer according to the 1984 Guinness Book of World Records
• Ken Wilber, How Postmodernism Defies its Own Goals
• Daniel Schmachtenberger, founding member of The Consilience Project, which publishes novel research at the leading edges of global risk mitigation, governance design, and culture
• John Vervaeke, award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto and creator of the cult hit YouTube series Awakening from the Meaning Crisis
• Maslow’s forgotten pinnacle: Self-transcendence
• Naryan Wong, founder of ThinkBetter, a training organization that helps people apply evidence-based approaches to their development, and an active member of the Rationalist community
• Developing Complexity Tolerance with David Treleaven on Rebel Wisdom
• Terence McKenna, ethnobotanist, author, and advocate of using psychedelic plants, Chaos, Creativity, and Cosmic Consciousness* with Rupert Sheldrake & Ralph Abraham
• Doshin Roshi, founder and abbot of Integral Zen
• Rebel Wisdom podcast website
• Rebel Wisdom’s Sensemaking 101 (8-week process begins June 18th)
• Alexander Beiner on Medium.com
• Alexander Beiner on Substack.com

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Alexander Beiner is a writer, facilitator, cultural commentator, and co-founder of the popular podcast and retreats organization Rebel Wisdom. Alexander regularly discusses psychedelics and interviews key figures in the psychedelic community on Rebel Wisdom, and is currently exploring the role psychedelics can play in an increasingly polarized culture. His articles appear frequently in Medium.com (and now Substack). He is one of the directors of Breaking Convention, Europe’s largest conference on psychedelic science and culture, and his work on psychedelic culture has been published in the 2016 book Neurotransmissions, as well as in The Guardian. In 2012, he co-founded a meditation school, Open Meditation. Alexander also writes fiction and plays traditional Irish music.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 29 (Part 1 of 2) | Rebel Wisdom co-founder Alexander Beiner has his finger on the cultural pulse of our times. Here he explores key challenges we face as a global community: sensemaking and truth finding in a culture that has lost its coherence as well as its sense of the divine, and what role psychedelics might play both therapeutically and spiritually in healing our culture. He discusses the need to go beyond the intellectual to find clarity and coherence, using embodied practices like meditation and inquiry, and explains how modalities such as these are an essential container for therapeutic psychedelic experiences. What if deep, spiritual, psychotherapeutic group processes were to inform political decision making? Are commodification and economics going to subvert the benefits of the psychedelic renaissance? Let’s start asking, what do we want these substances to bring to the culture, and who has the authority to decide what psychedelics are used for? Ali brings keen insight and the wisdom of a dedicated contemplative to asking the important questions and offering up some answers as well. Recorded September 27, 2021.

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• The evolution of the internet—from optimistic to dark and addictive—and its effect on culture (03:50)
• The crisis of trust in institutions creates a Wild West of narratives: Where do we get truth from? (07:03)
• Rebel Wisdom asks, how can we use the attitudes of the personal growth world and ancient wisdom to help us get into a new dialogue with each other? (08:50)
• The necessity to go beyond the intellectual to find clarity and certainty: that’s where practices come in (like meditation and inquiry) (13:35)
• Rebel Wisdom’s online course Sensemaking 101 moves from the inside out, creating a state of presence before tackling making sense of the news (15:55)
• The value of contemplative practices: they help you zoom out to a metaperspective and cultivate perspectival fluidity (17:07)
• The importance of bringing the spiritual worlds and political worlds together (people in the spiritual worlds are reluctant to go too far into the political and vice versa) (20:02)
• Danger of using meta as a “bypass”: focusing on how to make a better world rather than focusing on the realities of what is happening right now (20:57)
• The cycle of withdrawal and return: going within to come back to the world with more wisdom to give and going without to connect more deeply with ourselves (22:20)
• On allowing deep, spiritual, psychotherapeutic group processes to inform political decision making (23:52)
• What would an effective meta practice for people entail at this point? An ecology of practices (27:26)
• The therapeutic potential of the psychedelic experience combined with different modalities, i.e. inquiry + psychedelic experience (30:58)

• Rebel Wisdom podcast website
• Rebel Wisdom’s Sensemaking 101 (8-week process begins June 18th)
• Alexander Beiner on Medium.com
• Alexander Beiner on Substack.com
• Terence McKenna, ethnobotanist, author, and advocate of using psychedelic plants, Chaos, Creativity, and Cosmic Consciousness* with Rupert Sheldrake & Ralph Abraham
• Timothy Leary, Harvard psychologist and LSD advocate, Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out*
• Tristan Harris, “Persuasive Technology and the Race to the Bottom of the Brain Stem”
• Venkatesh Rao, “The Internet of Beefs,” Tempo: Timing, Tactics and Strategy in Narrative-driven Decision-making*
• Howard Bloom, Global Brain*
• Peter Russell, The Brain Book*
• Bret Weinstein Talks About His Brother Eric Weinstein
• John Vervaeke, award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto and creator of the cult hit YouTube series Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, author, Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-first Century Crisis,* Four Kinds of Knowing video
• The Ridhwan Tradition: The Diamond Approach
• Jamie Bristow, director of The Mindfulness Initiative, a policy institute teaching mindfulness and compassion to politicians 
• Daniel Schmachtenberger, founding member of The Consilience Project aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue
• Jordan Hall, futurist and culture hacker
• Arnold Toynbee, historian, A Study of History*
• Living the Path of Love, course taught by Turiya Hanover and Rafia Morgan, co-founders of the Path of Love
• Carl Rogers, great American psychologist, Journal of Humanistic Psychology: The Rust Workshop (The Central American Challenge)
• Wim Hof Breathwork

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Alexander Beiner is a writer, facilitator, cultural commentator, and co-founder of the popular podcast and retreats organization Rebel Wisdom. Alexander regularly discusses psychedelics and interviews key figures in the psychedelic community on Rebel Wisdom, and is currently exploring the role psychedelics can play in an increasingly polarized culture. His articles appear frequently in Medium.com (and now Substack). He is one of the directors of Breaking Convention, Europe’s largest conference on psychedelic science and culture, and his work on psychedelic culture has been published in the 2016 book Neurotransmissions, as well as in The Guardian. In 2012, he co-founded a meditation school, Open Meditation. Alexander also writes fiction and plays traditional Irish music.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 28 (Part 2 of 2) | David Loy, Zen teacher, scholar, and prolific author, reveals his acute understanding of the crises we face today, the psychology at the root of the problems, and how we can make our way forward in this in-depth discussion. He has adopted the term ecodharma to focus attention on the challenge Buddhism faces now: integrating personal transformation with global activism and social transformation. As David points out, the focus needs to be on this world, with transcendence being a metaphorical understanding but not an excuse to abandon the problems we and our planet face today. 

Besides gaining great depth of knowledge from being a scholar and student of koans, David’s insights come from a plethora of nondual experiences, which led David on a path of eco-action. Ecodharma asks: How does Buddhism need to change? How much is dwelling in emptiness becoming problematical in these challenging times? What’s best for the Earth? Everyone says practice, practice, practice…when is the performance? Is evolutionary pressure going to create a new way of living sustainably? Recorded February 22, 2020. 

“When your sense of separation dissipates, it becomes not what’s in it for me, but what can I do to help make this a better world for everybody?”

Note: Regrettably 4 minutes of the recording were irretrievably lost at minute 21:26, but thankfully, the recording resumes just as Roger succinctly sums up the previous minutes of conversation. Also, this podcast was recorded live and includes, at times, some extraneous noises in the background. Please excuse them -- we felt the conversation was very valuable and well worth sharing with our audience. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• The role of technology, moving into an age of virtual reality, and the creation of supernormal stimuli (01:41)
• Ecodharma: addressing the need for a new understanding of practice and walking the bodhisattva/ecosattva path (04:37) 
• Keeping “don’t know” mind in the face of the eco-crisis (09:57)
• How can Buddhism contribute to facing the critical issues of our time? (10:54)
• The Extinction Rebellion, a grassroots direct action movement (11:49)
• The election of Trump has highlighted our problems in making them worse (15:16)
• The problem of complacency (17:24)
• What signifies that one has started to walk the bodhisattva path? (19:42)
• Desire versus craving (21:26)
• Karma yoga and not being attached to the outcome (22:14)
• The cycle of withdrawal and return common to those people who have contributed the most to humankind (23:45)
• The deepest challenge of our practice is integrating the knowledge that everything is perfect, but also knowing action is needed to improve things (26:36)
• Evolutionary psychology, the evolution of religion, and what we need to do today (28:18)
• What socially engaged Buddhism has to contribute (34:02)
• The challenge of the gnostic intermediary to transmit a wisdom tradition across cultures and across time (34:59)

• Edward O. Wilson, aka the Darwin of the 21st century
• Guhyapati, founder of the Eco-Dharma Centre in northeast Spain
• David Loy and Guhyapati, Remaking Our Dharma: Expanding the Scope of Ecodharma
• David Loy, co-founder of the Rocky Mountain Ecodharma Retreat Center
• David Loy, "The Bodhisattva Path in the Trump Era" 
• Greta Thunberg and the School Strike for Climate
• Extinction Rebellion: Grassroots movement engaging in direct action focused on climate, species extinction, population, toxins, plastic and more
• The Bhagavad Gita 
• Arnold Toynbee, A Study of World History* (abridgement by D.C. Somervell)
• Robert Thurman, first Westerner Tibetan Buddhist monk ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama
• Shunryu Suzuki, author of Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind 
• Paul Hawkins, Blessed Unrest: How the Largest Social Movement in History is Restoring Grace, Justice, and Beauty to the World*
• Wes Nisker, You Are Not Your Fault and Other Revelations*
• Roger Walsh, The Transmission of Wisdom: The Task of Gnostic Intermediaries
• David Loy, "How to Be an EcoSattva" 
• David Loy, EcoDharma: Buddhist Teachings for the Ecological Crisis*
• David Loy, co-editor, A Buddhist Response to the Climate Emergency*
• Full list of David’s writings: https://www.davidloy.org/writing.html
• David Loy’s website
• David Loy, co-founder of the Rocky Mountain Ecodharma Retreat Center

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Early on, David Loy studied koans under Yamada Kōun Roshi while teaching Eastern and Western philosophy in Japan. He began to have direct experiences of nonduality, and the recognition of unity, or connection with others, led to his activism in the spheres of social justice and the eco-crisis. A scholar, professor, and Zen teacher in the Sanbo Zen tradition, David brings a Buddhist perspective to the ecological crisis we face today. He points out there is an important parallel between what Buddhism says about our personal predicament and about our collective predicament in relation to the rest of the biosphere. David is also a prolific author; his latest book is Ecodharma: Buddhist Teachings for the Ecological Crisis; and he is co-editor of A Buddhist Response to the Climate Emergency.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 27 (Part 1 of 2) | David Loy, Zen teacher, scholar, and prolific author, reveals his acute understanding of the crises we face today, the psychology at the root of the problems, and how we can make our way forward in this in-depth discussion. He has adopted the term ecodharma to focus attention on the challenge Buddhism faces now: integrating personal transformation with global activism and social transformation. As David points out, the focus needs to be on this world, with transcendence being a metaphorical understanding but not an excuse to abandon the problems we and our planet face today.

Besides gaining great depth of knowledge from being a scholar and student of koans, David’s insights come from a plethora of nondual experiences, which led David on a path of eco-action. Ecodharma asks: How does Buddhism need to change? How much is dwelling in emptiness becoming problematical in these challenging times? What’s best for the Earth? Everyone says practice, practice, practice…when is the performance? Is evolutionary pressure going to create a new way of living sustainably? Recorded February 22, 2020.

“When your sense of separation dissipates, it becomes not what’s in it for me, but what can I do to help make this a better world for everybody?”

Note: This podcast was recorded live and includes, at times, some extraneous noises in the background. Please excuse them -- we felt the conversation was very valuable and well worth sharing with our audience. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• Social activism, Zen practice, philosophy, koan study: how it all started (03:52)
• How does David’s Zen practice inform his activism? It was the experiences of nondual reality (05:48)
• The emergence of compassion: when your sense of separation dissipates, it becomes not what’s in it for me, but what can I do to help make this a better world for everybody (09:14)
• The cold civil war in the U.S. and the need to find a way to talk with each other and understand conflicting points of view (12:03)
• Our fundamental problem is that we don’t feel real, because the separate self is a construct, inherently insecure, inherently uncomfortable, and we experience this as a sense of fundamental lack (14:03)
• The psychological and sociological implications of this sense of lack and how society is constructed to take advantage of it: the contemporary world religion is consumerism (17:31)
• The positive and negative sides of individualism (22:23)
• The heart of the bodhisattva path: personal transformation and social transformation (24:57)
• The challenge of integrating nondual experiences (27:31)
• 3 elements of the Pali Canon’s Motivation for Awakening (28:31)
• Dukkha (suffering) is structural not just individual (30:09)
• Awakenings: transcendent, imminent, and the decline of Axial religions that devalue this world (36:26) 
• The problem with mindfulness and the 3 poisons: greed, ill will, delusion (40:51)

• David Loy, EcoDharma: Buddhist Teachings for the Ecological Crisis*
• David Loy, NonDuality: In Buddhism and Beyond*
• David Loy, co-editor, A Buddhist Response to the Climate Emergency*
• Full list of David’s writings: https://www.davidloy.org/writing.html
• David Loy’s website
• David Loy, co-founder of the Rocky Mountain Ecodharma Retreat Center
• Yamada Kōun Roshi, David's teacher and author of The Gateless Gate : The Classic Book of Zen Koans* (2004)
• Robert Aiken, one of the original founders of the Buddhist Peace Fellowship
• Dōgen, Japanese Buddhist priest, poet, philosopher, and founder of the Sōtō school of Zen
• William Blake, poet, painter, mystic
• Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death*
• Mahatma Gandhi, “The world has enough for everyone’s need…”
• Theravada sutras, the Pali Canon, Bodhipakkhiya Dhamma
• Aldous Huxley, Island*
• Dogen’s Genjokoan, Actualizing the Fundamental Point
• Loyal Rue, Everybody’s Story: Wising up to the Epic of Evolution*
• Naomi Klein, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate*
• Stockholm Institute’s 9 markers of ecological sustainability

* As an Amazon Associate, Deep Transformation earns from qualifying purchases.

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Early on, David Loy studied koans under Yamada Kōun Roshi while teaching Eastern and Western philosophy in Japan. He began to have direct experiences of nonduality, and the recognition of unity, or connection with others, led to his activism in the spheres of social justice and the eco-crisis. A scholar, professor, and Zen teacher in the Sanbo Zen tradition, David brings a Buddhist perspective to the ecological crisis we face today. He points out there is an important parallel between what Buddhism says about our personal predicament and about our collective predicament in relation to the rest of the biosphere. David is also a prolific author; his latest book is Ecodharma: Buddhist Teachings for the Ecological Crisis; and he is co-editor of A Buddhist Response to the Climate Emergency.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

Ep. 26 | Samaneri Jayasara, a Theravādin renunciate in the Thai Forest tradition, became inspired to record readings of profound wisdom texts written by the great spiritual masters of all time and traditions, put them to music (in most cases), and post them on YouTube. Intending simply to share the gift of wisdom, Jayasara didn’t expect much in the way of listeners, maybe 100 or so. But with her sublime understanding and exquisite voice, accompanied by beautiful music tailored to the individual texts, Jayasara has turned mere readings into transmissions of wisdom and healing that are helping and inspiring people around the globe, and she now has upward of 70,000 followers. In this conversation, Jayasara talks about the power of the spoken word to bypass intellectual filters and enter straight into your heart, how listening can result in unexpected awakenings, how contemplating death can shift our illusions and wake us up, and the story of how she came to be a contemplative. In this episode, she also treats listeners to two lovely samples of her readings, from St. John of the Cross and Chuang Tzu. Recorded October 14, 2021.

“Silence is God’s first language.” – St. John of the Cross

(For Apple Podcast users, click here to view the complete show notes on the episode page.)

• The inspiration behind reading wisdom texts on YouTube: the advantage of absorbing dharma wisdom through listening (03:11)
• The power of the spoken word to go straight to the heart (06:12)
• Samaneri Jayasara, a rare Theravadin to have studied such a broad variety of religious traditions (13:38)
• Theravada: The Teaching of the Elders based on the Pali Sutras (15:37)
• The Thai Forest tradition focuses on practice (16:44)
• St. John of the Cross reading (17:49)
• The intention: a heartfelt sharing of the dharma; as the Buddha said, “The greatest gift you can give is the gift of the dharma.” (22:34)
• How Jayasara came to be a contemplative: suffering, dissatisfaction, and the teachings of Buddha and Krishnamurti (24:44)
• How one can support Jayasara’s practice and the Viveka Hermitage (33:15)
• Hearing teachings expressed in different ways, different conceptualizations with different traditions, can enliven your practice, make the wisdom go deeper, and help you not get stuck (33:48)
• The “flow and rhythm” of the spiritual life and the poetry of Ram Dass (35:28)
• How does Jayasara choose which text to read? (37:58) 
• On the transmission of wisdom (40:44)
• Chuang Tzu reading (46:24)
• When striving in our practice turns to opening to what is latent within us (51:35)
• Sudden awakening versus gradual awakening (54:44)
• How death contemplations can shift the illusion and wake us up (56:46)
• The story of Ramana: pure awareness and the deathless realm (01:02:26)
• The tendency to pick up a new identity after an ego death (01:04:24)
• What’s next? Mother Mountain Gulaga retreat (01:07:16)
• Choosing the music that goes with the readings (01:11:23)

• Samaneri Jayasara, Wisdom of the Masters podcast
• Jayasara’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/SamaneriJayasara/featured
• Samaneri Jayasara’s hermitage: Viveka Hermitage
• Donations to the hermitage can be made via PayPal using the link: https://paypal.me/VivekaHermitage
• Or become a Jayasara patron: https://www.patreon.com/jayasara
• Padmasambhava’s Self-Liberation Through Seeing Through Naked Awareness*
• Ramana Maharshi, Indian sage and liberated being, 1879-1950
• Lectio Divina (divine reading)
• Ajahn Sumedho, longtime abbot and one of the senior Western representatives of the Thai Forest tradition of Theravada Buddhism
• Theravada sutras, the Pali Canon
• Ajahn Mun, co-founder of the Thai Forest tradition
• St. John of the Cross, Dark Night of the Soul*
• Krishnamurti, philosopher, speaker, author focused on psychological revolution, inquiry, human relationships, and bringing about radical change in society
• Vipassana retreats
• St. John of the Cross, Spanish Catholic priest, mystic, and Carmelite friar
• Ram Dass, Love, Service, Devotion
• Chuang Tzu, Taoist sage, influential 4th century BC philosopher in China credited with writing Zhuangzi,* one of the two foundational texts of Taoism (along with the Tao Te Ching*).
• Thomas Merton, The Way of Chuang Tzu*
• Kamalashila Tibetan Buddhist Centre at the foot of Mother Mountain Gulaga

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Samaneri Jayasara is a Buddhist nun in the Theravadin Forest tradition. She has studied and practiced Buddhism and meditation in various capacities for over 35 years. Jayasara has a Ph.D. and Master's Degree in education, focusing on comparative spiritual traditions, Buddhism, and psychotherapy. She has taught at secondary, undergraduate, and postgraduate levels in psychology and counseling; and also worked as a trainer in mental health and crisis intervention in the welfare sector. 

Jayasara initially ordained as an Anagarika in 2003 living at both Dhammasara nun’s monastery, Western Australia, and Amaravati, UK. She re-entered the robes as a Samaneri in 2018 at Santi Forest Monastery where she lived and practiced for four years.  Jayasara now resides in a quiet hermitage (Viveka Hermitage) with another Dhamma sister in rural New South Wales.

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Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell