On this episode of The Rear View Mirror Podcast, Jeff and Steve kick things off swapping stories about Steve’s basketball days and the upcoming Tennessee (Jeff’s team) vs. Arkansas (Steve’s team) showdown. From there, they look back at the 50th anniversaries of Saturday Night Live and Willow Creek Community Church, with a fun detour into 1970s disco and Jeff’s homecoming dance memories.

But the heart of the episode is a deep and honest conversation about leadership. They ask some big questions — does everything really rise and fall on leadership? Is it about power and authority, or character and service? Can the two actually come together? Jeff and Steve explore the differences and similarities between corporate and church leadership, and even talk about the dangers of making leadership an idol.

It’s a mix of nostalgia, laughter, and thoughtful insight — the kind of conversation that makes you think long after the episode ends.