Doom Debates

Doom Scenario: Human-Level AI Can't Control Smarter AI


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I want to be transparent about how I’ve updated my mainline AI doom scenario in light of safe & useful LLMs. So here’s where I’m at…

00:00 Introduction

07:59 The Dangerous Threshold to Runaway Superintelligence

18:57 Superhuman Goal Optimization = Infinite Time Horizon

21:21 Goal-Completeness by Analogy to Turing-Completeness

26:53 Intellidynamics

29:13 Goal-Optimization Is Convergent

31:15 Early AIs Lose Control of Later AIs

34:46 The Superhuman Threshold Is Real

38:27 Expecting Rapid FOOM

40:20 Rocket Alignment

49:59 Stability of Values Under Self-Modification

53:13 The Way to Heaven Passes Right By Hell

57:32 My Mainline Doom Scenario

01:17:46 What Values Does The Goal Optimizer Have?

Show Notes

My recent episode with Jim Babcock on this same topic of mainline doom scenarios — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaQjEABZ80g

The Rocket Alignment Problem by Eliezer Yudkowsky — https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Gg9a4y8reWKtLe3Tn/the-rocket-alignment-problem

Come to the Less Online conference on May 30 - Jun 1, 2025: https://less.online

Watch the Lethal Intelligence Guide, the ultimate introduction to AI x-risk! https://www.youtube.com/@lethal-intelligence

PauseAI, the volunteer organization I’m part of: https://pauseai.info

Join the PauseAI Discord — https://discord.gg/2XXWXvErfA — and say hi to me in the #doom-debates-podcast channel!

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