Jason and Roxanne (@happyholistichs ) speak with Andrew Millison (@andrewmillison ), who runs the permaculture design course for Oregon State, and who produces a serious of remarkable educational videos on permaculture concepts and on projects all over the world. They talk about the importance of water in landscapes, his journey towards permaculture and education, how he sees the permaculture movement growing, applying permaculture in different cultural contexts, the lost opportunity of designing U.S. political borders around watersheds and bioregions, the economics of permaculture, motivating people to grow food, creative arrangements to enable broad scale land access, cutting edge ideas and projects for Andrew, how to address with the ecological problems in the California food system and the rising prevalence of wildfires, and his recent video documenting the work of Planting Justice