On the 20th episode of Run The Numbers, CJ sits down with Rohit Divate, Head of Corporate Finance at Gusto. Rohit Divate has seen Gusto 10x in terms of revenue and headcount in his six years at the company. He and CJ discuss headcount planning, countermetrics, how to set up scalable decisionmaking in hyperscaling startups, and more. Tropic is the next-generation Procurement Platform that’s helping modern CFOs take control of their budgets and bottom line, head to www.tropicapp.io/metrics.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:17) Mailbag questions - How does ARR, or Revenue Per Employee, scale over time as a company grows?

(04:42) Introducing Rohit

(05:40) How big was Gusto when Rohit started out and how big is it now?

(08:00) How to get things done when a company grows big

(11:10) How has Gusto's finance department change over time?

(14:03) Tour of duty: handling change or roles and responsibilities in a finance team

(15:21) Sponsor - Planful

(16:20) A day in the life of Rohit: How much is spent on spreadsheets vs dealing with people

(17:41) Risks and opportunities - knowing your financials

(19:09) What are metrics that gets tracked daily and monthly?

(21:50) What's the north star metric?

(22:58) The metric that kept Rohit up at night

(24:25) On using a non-standard calendar year for financials

(25:25) Handling headcount forecasting for Gusto

(27:46) Dollar base plans and having autonomy to build your team

(29:46) Budgeting for contractors

(30:56) The new headcount methodology and dollar-based planning

(32:39) Rules of thumb for staffing ratio

(34:32) What separates the great finance leaders from the good ones?

(36:36) Qualities a CEO should test for in interviews

(38:37) What's something Rohit has screwed up before on the job?

(40:33) What's something you know now that you'd like to tell your younger self?

(41:39) Sponsor - Tropic

(42:15) Rohit's finance software stack

(43:33) What's the craziest thing you've seen someone try to expense?

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