Jamie Wheal is a writer and cofounder of the Flow Genome Project. He’s the author of 'Recapture the Rapture: Rethinking God, Sex, and Death in a World That's Lost Its Mind', and a guide to leaders across many domains of high service and performance.

This dialogue sought in part to relate with the questions and tensions at the forefront of Jamie’s thinking, three years post the publishing of Recapture The Rapture. It found some footing in the mud of uncertainty between the desire to democratise transcendence, and the reality of life-death process as epitomised by narratives of exodus.