We have another great episode in the Empty Nester Wisdom series with Empty Nest Coach and host of the Midlife Momma Podcast, Pamela Henkelman. It was so fun to watch her soar in this conversation and it’s clear she has a passion in this phase of motherhood.

Pamela shares that this is a very sweet time of life that we can enjoy. We don’t need to dread this transition. It’s a season where we can rediscover our purpose and our joy. I know she will get you excited to look ahead to this new phase with excitement not dread.

My favorite part is when she talks about her intentional thinking around relationships. She doesn’t just prioritize the relationship with her kids, she aims at loving their spouses well. Even if you’re 10 years out from being an “in-law,” tuck away this wisdom from a seasoned mom that is running her empty nest race well.

In this episode, we chat about:

• Allowing children to grow independently
• Connecting with their spouses
• Choosing your words wisely with adult children
• Letting go of expectations with holidays

Enjoy!

Courtney 

Chapters

(00:00) Introduction and Personal Connections

(02:57) Transitioning to Empty Nest Coaching

(05:55) Navigating Relationships with Adult Children

(08:57) Setting Boundaries with Adult Children

(11:58) The Role of Spouses and In-Laws

(15:00) Rediscovering Identity in Midlife

(18:01) Embracing New Opportunities

(20:49) Creating a Welcoming Home Environment

(24:03) Success Stories and Client Transformations

(26:46) Conclusion and Resources

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