In this episode, Osher revisits one of the most impactful conversations from the show with productivity expert and bestselling author Ali Abdaal.

Ali breaks down a radically different approach to productivity — one built around enjoyment, play, and designing systems that actually work with your brain instead of against it.

Osher and Ali explore why “enjoyment is efficiency,” how stress quietly sabotages performance, and why procrastination isn’t a character flaw - it’s usually just a systems problem.

Ali also shares practical ways to make even the most mundane tasks more enjoyable, explains the difference between hardware and software problems in our lives, and reveals the simple tweaks that helped him stop wasting hours doomscrolling at night.

It's an episode packed with practical tools for anyone feeling overwhelmed, burned out, distracted, or stuck in the cycle of trying harder and getting nowhere. But there's so much more in the full chat - check out the link to that below.

LINKS 

• Listen to the full episode with Ali here
• Check out his YouTube is channel
• His New York Times bestselling book is Feel Good Productivity
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• Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
• Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
• Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
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