In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey delve into the nurturing world of Type 2 subtypes—the caring helpers driven by a deep desire to be needed. They’re joined by Dr. Kristi Gaultiere, author and co-founder of Soul Shepherding, who shares her journey of learning to let others care for her and how her life story shaped this struggle. Kristi opens up about balancing psychological and spiritual work, and what it means to truly believe that all truth is God’s truth. She reflects on how solitude, once feeling like punishment, became the path to embracing God’s love for her beyond her service to others. The episode wraps up with a lively round of Trial By Trolley, where Kristi faces a hilarious moral dilemma: will she run over the person who invented pop-up ads or the identity thief who bought a yacht in her name?

Connect with Kristi:

Beatrice Chestnut's book: The Complete Enneagram

Russ Hudson's Enneagram Next Level: www.enneagramnextlevel.com